Nefarious Red

I listened very intently to Sasha Howell. She is incredibly smart and fully understands marketing. She said that she wants to "get bold" with our message, and make it very clear who actually is in charge of wildlife conservation in Arizona, and how the system operates. I am unaware of the company's political affiliation. However, the campaign is ultimately under the control of the Department, and they were hired to do the Departments bidding. Off Madison doesn't have free reign to say what they want. Part of the plan is to redirect funds from those groups that we would consider birkenstock wearing lefties, and to the Department. Those were her words. (Minus the birkenstock wearing lefties part)

The Department provides the oversight. The company they have hired is called Off Madison Ave. Sasha Howell gave a wonderful and inspiring presentation during the September 21st Commission meeting. Off Madison has already been representing the current campaign that these funds will support. The Commission also provided some direction to Off Madison during that meeting, and according to Sasha, "the handcuffs are off", and we will soon see some more media messaging that is favorable to hunters and the Department.

Many of us have been banned from that page for quite a while. It is ran by an HSUS former employee named Kristina Meredith. She likes to answer her own questions. Another good anti page to troll is Amurs of the Russian Far East.

The public input period is open. There is a link to the Department email address that is accepting ideas on the Game and Fish website. They will present these ideas to the Commission after the public input period closes in 30 days. Many of you have ideas for funding, now is the time to submit them to the Department.

I'm not sure about that, but I'll definitely help you eat it.

They had previously voted to form the committee, the telephone meeting you are referencing is when they were to select committee members. During the telephone meeting, they opted instead to have the Department handle the committee. So yes, it was formed with only Department members.

Ringer, they voted to not form the committee of sportsmen and turn the committee over to the Department. The Department will do a presentation on the 9th of August and open up for public comment.

They kicked it back to the department to form the committee. From there, they will go through 2 rounds of public comments. I'm not sure if the department will issue their recommendations first or the public will be able to submit recommendations first, but you should be able to submit comments within a few weeks. Nothing is off the table, as the department will review all recommendations and then make a decision.

Yep, clearly shows they spearheaded the effort... look they're even promoting hunters go find and kill animals on their own! Where's the posts on that page prior to the reg passing, speaking out against cameras and saying they are pushing for it? who said they spearheaded the effort? You have a fallacious style of arguing, kind of like a woman. This post merely demonstrated how the Nevada trail camera ban was supported by anti hunters.

Funny you should say that.

I'm right next to you in Sahuarita. I know 34a, 36a, 36b really well. Send me a p.m. if you want to talk about or go out in any of them.

I really wish someone from the Department would have shown up today and gave input on what they are willing to consider for ideas. I also wish the Department would have submitted recommendations 9 months ago when they petitioned the Commission for funding. Someone in the Department knows what they can and cannot, or at least not willing to do. Give us some guidance.

I call b.s. I'd probably "accidentally trip and fall" on an arrow. But good luck anyways.

At this point me and Ringer are just trolling each other. No harm done.

Ringers getting paranoid....

Interesting? Ringer has been running around multiple forums talking about emailing the Commission. Not that hard to deduce.

Dude, you didn't even make that post on this thread. You made it on the Conserve and Protect meeting thread and it's still there. This stuff is solid gold. Fake news, Glen? I think the fake news is you telling people that Don Peay has Commissioner Davis in his back pocket. And you emailed Commissioner Davis trying to recommend someone for a committee? Interesting. That's an unusual strategy, let's see how it plays out.

I've only got 3 checks from Don Peay, and they were for a measly million dollars a piece. Can I join your gang? only if you're willing to learn our secret handshake.

Did you warm up before you stretched?

I don't think I'm following your question. Game and Fish will spend all money through their own media program. This proposal is nothing more than a way to generate funds for Game and Fish outside of Pittman Robertson funds. That way they can speak outside of the scope of legislation that inhibits them from doing so. If I'm not fully grasping what you are trying to ask, send me a message through Facebook messenger and I'll p.m. you my phone number. I might be able to better explain over the phone.

This isn't to fight a political battle, it's to prevent fighting political battles. Game and Fish can't comment on initiatives once they've been filed, but a funding source outside of Pittman Robertson funds absolutely clears a path for this kind of educational outreach. The funds will not be distributed outside of Game and Fish, the media program already exists within the Department. This is to provide a dedicated stream of funding to that program. Conserve and Protect Arizona will not make a dime.

there are some good television ads from Michigan floating around the internet that showcase what they are doing, I will see if I can post some. However, I think we can do better. I also think, as I mentioned above, money directed to billboards would be better spent on a dedicated education official, one that goes into schools and businesses to talk about hunter involvement in conservation. Nothing beats a handshake from a Game and Fish official, and HSUS is sending people into schools to preach their b.s. The Arizona Director herself, Kellye Pinkleton, the lady that filed the mountain lion ban initiative, has been doing it.

of course I'm a hunter, and this issue matters to me because of the work I put in during the mountain lion ban, and from that work I learned a lot about HSUS and what they've done to us in the past and what they are capable of doing in the future. It matters to me because I don't want to lose hunting. This is a Game and Fish program, nobody gets any tags but Game and Fish. I wouldn't be on board with an outside group getting tags and selling them for their own profit. There is no Don Peay or any organization getting money,it will all be Game and Fish by law.

mass media outreach. I hope to see some other plans implemented, but we are putting the cart before the horse. What exactly do you mean by mass media outreach? Some articles in the newspaper saying hunting is good? Some social media posts? Just trying to understand how exactly this is going to not only get out to the people you intend it to, but also actually properly educate them? I converse with non hunters all the time on the importance of hunting. Most I talk to aren't against it though they don't partake in it themselves. The Department already has much of the current plan in place under the Conserve and Protect mission statement. It includes television, radio, and billboards, although I personally wouldn't mind the billboards being axed in favor of a dedicated outreach representative. The Department has rolled out a small campaign already and conducted pre and post polling to gauge its impact. It was successful with the funds they had, but they do not have continual funding to saturate the necessary markets. We don't have many options at our disposal for combating initiatives by animal rights groups, this plan is one that has been proven successful in other states.

mass media outreach. I hope to see some other plans implemented, but we are putting the cart before the horse.