Nefarious Red

I don't generally bother with hunting websites. It's the same thing over and over, same people arguing amongst themselves for years. You can join Facebook and I will add you to our group, if it means that much to you. Other than that, you have my name and my youtube channel.

you just said we talked at the meeting. Take the tin foil hat off for a minute.

Ohthatguy, let me get some of your thoughts. Do you believe that we need a strategic plan to combat attempts from anti hunting groups?

it will get resolved. We will butt heads for a minute, feeling each other out. Were you at the meeting last monday?

if only your opinion mattered. We can all agree the HSUS sucks, the question is funding and how to get it. Elites and those that cater to the elites want tags. Normal hunters want something else. The extremist on both sides should not be the focus, it should be the 70% that are not. Judging by your posts I am not sure I would want you leading a fight against anyone or anything. don't worry about me leading. We have a group thats willing to lead and has the connections to do it. And as you said, it's about the funding. The education plan is a proven success in many states. So as I have told you, I'm on board to help. And if that means I pull my support for auction tags to move the education plan forward, then let's get to discussing the plan.

That's the easy way out. Dismiss someone that takes you out of your comfort zone as a troll. I think you should sit this one out. You don't have what it takes to play at the level required to fight HSUS.

again, i think I'll do as I please. Let me know how long you want to continue the pissing contest before we get back to more relevant conversation. A newbie with 29 posts such as this in a day. Such a way to win friends and influence people! I think you have a lot of insecurities if you are judging yourself off of post counts in a forum. And you are deluding yourself if you think they give you any clout. I think you might be just a tad bit upset that another rooster came into your henhouse and interrupted your bash fest of a good group of people. I think you are in love with your own voice and frankly either just trolling or have very little concern with the issues. i think you are inventing a problem that doesn't exist so you can be a hero on a non issue.

i gotcha. And by my comment i wasn't intending on dismissing your input. I'm still very much interested in what you have to say.

i wasnt trying to challenge you, krp. Just offer my input. Carry on, I'm very interested in what you have to say.

again, i think I'll do as I please. Let me know how long you want to continue the pissing contest before we get back to more relevant conversation. A newbie with 29 posts such as this in a day. Such a way to win friends and influence people! I think you have a lot of insecurities if you are judging yourself off of post counts in a forum. And you are deluding yourself if you think they give you any clout. I think you might be just a tad bit upset that another rooster came into your henhouse and interrupted your bash fest of a good group of people.

again, i think I'll do as I please. Let me know how long you want to continue the pissing contest before we get back to more relevant conversation.

i think I'll stick around this one and comment as I please, thanks.

Krp, the kind of outreach necessary to combat attempts from HSUS is outside the scope of Pittman Robertson. We aren't talking about hunter education here. But a systemic plan. And mind you, the Arizona director of HSUS herself, Kellye Pinkleton, is going into classrooms IN Arizona and spreading their misinformation. We need an aggressive campaign, they aren't just focused on the coming months and years, but generations ahead.

Hey Ringer, see this woman behind me? Shes one of those hippies. She also has a PhD, and does statistical and data analysis for large scientific research firms. She is also a coordinator for HSUS. Lets not down play our adversaries.

again, dont quote me on that. But that is why CAPAZ is structured the way it is. So donors don't become targets of opposition groups.

That does and thanks. With the help of couple of CWTers I plan on sending you a viable option that you can take to the board to fund the educational side of this endeavor. and you've heard me say it on here, and I will say it again. I have no problem suspending any support i have for tag auctions if it means we can move this forward. Make no mistakes,idgaf, I'm not your enemy and Im here to get us all unified so we can kick HSUS out of Arizona for good.

And I've told you, that is a question for CAPAZ. I know I've donated, and will continue to do so. From what I've heard, and you can't quote me on this, is some big sports retail stores are interested.

Naw, you don't want to hear all sides. You want to continue to make this a show and tell, everyone has to show you and tell you. Too bad you didn't get this active when there were actual tag grabbers trying to take actual tags from you.

I am addressing it with you as the resident CAPAZ expert. Now in your opinion is my assumption correct or incorrect?Im relaying the same information available to all of us. Decide on your own if your asdumptions are correct. Do you make a habit of letting others think for you in addition to fighting your battles?

Idgaf, address that with CAPAZ.

game and fish already does it for habitat.And the the majority of the non hunting public has no idea. that is why the education is important. The general public has no idea about anything Game and Fish does. And the anti hunters are lying to the public unabated. I'm not arguing the need to educate. I'm pointing out that in my opinion raffling and auctioning tags to generate the education funds is likely to backfire. There are other ways to raise the funds that are not as risky. I can agree with that. CAPAZ wants to hear from you.

I understand the disconnect between the two arms of CAPAZ. I understand the tags will support education to the 70% of the AZ residents that have no opinion on hunting. What I am asking you in the simplest terms how is the political arm funded? IF you ask me to draw a conclusion from your somewhat evasive answers, I would say the political arm is funded by the elite hunters that money is secondary and hunting areas that right now money can not buy every year would be their interest. Please enlighten me and let me know how this conclusion is wrong. Their political funding is their business. You can draw your own conclusions. You can also hire your own lawyers and consultants and form your own 501c (4) and tell your donors you are going to make their contributions public. Let me know how many big businesses you get to donate.

I'm an odd dude because I get off my butt and do things to fight the fight, because i don't want HSUS to take any more of our heritage from us. I don't just talk the talk on internet forums.

game and fish already does it for habitat. And the the majority of the non hunting public has no idea. that is why the education is important. The general public has no idea about anything Game and Fish does. And the anti hunters are lying to the public unabated.

game and fish already does it for habitat.