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4X4? Crew Max? 2 door?

The dems will go after every gun one step at a time. Wacko uses semi auto, go after semi auto. Wacko uses pump/auto shot gun, go after shotguns etc. We have seen this in England, Australia and New Zealand. In the meantime the Dems and Media are against a secure border, against police and will not call out hate speech or violence from the left. Not an atmosphere I want to disarm in.

Sounds great, I'm in.

My first choice for home defense. Light, compact, handy, lower recoil even the ladies can handle. At 20 feet 1 OZ #2 lead shoot is just scary to contemplate.

No robust due process then no support for this kind of legislation. If they enact any old slip shod BS good luck getting it fixed.

I don't have my notes in front of me. Was researching 12V pumps for similar use and was able to do internet search for what I wanted. Ended up finding several highly recommend pumps. Short of a good recommendation search "Best 12V RV Water Transfer Pump". Good luck.

God Bless them is right. Had 2 Uncles in stalags one a Liberator pilot one a field surgeon the other uncle a forward artillery observer on The Canal and latter CO of most USMC arty ever put together, during Vietnam. Grew up next door to an infantry man 44/45 and a P38 pilot same era. Old man volunteered to drive ambulances 44/45 when army medically disqualified him. Old man had a co-worker lost a leg when a Japanese tank ran over him and another in pilot training when the war ended. My God Father was in flight training and his brother flying P47 in Europe. Thats the short list, when I was a pilot in the Navy a lot of other guys had similar backgrounds. All in All generally a great bunch bunch of guys.

Where in SW NM more or less?

Fixed chokes? What are the barrels coked?

I guess all the millions and millions of Bison that roamed the plains pre 1870 didn't fart.

Don't mind Trough hunter he is just that way.

A little antidotal note here. I have hunted southern AZ for Coues going on 50+ years. Deer numbers are down in S AZ and cattle grazing has been non existent for going on 2 decades. The F ing grass is so thick now days I get grass seeds in my trouser pockets and went to high top boots because all the crappy dried grass mulch got into my low top boots. We saw more and bigger deer when there were cattle, beat down cow paths and cooped grasses. Things got a little drier about 20 years ago and the oaks quit putting out a mast crop. Since then (no acorns on the oaks) deer a bit tougher to find and smaller and band tailed pigeons basically gone and not because of cows grazing. dang grass doin just fin in parts of S AZ, besides deer don't eat grass. Not sure about the under rim area but cows never seemed to hurt Coues numbers. Back to the under rim and BarX, OP stated studies from 70's and 450 cow calf units and reduction to what did he say 50 units? Did the discussion say now the ranch has permit for 130ish cow/calf units? So OP what is the number of unit increase the rancher is asking for now?

Whats a UTV??? I am a 63 year AZ native and have hunted AZ, Utah, Colorado and Wyoming. AZ hunting is still pretty good in my book.

My first 5-6 years of coues hunting was straight south of Ruby practically on the border.

ran into this the last coupe years in 35B. basically land owner can deny access. Have had conversations with FS access co-rdinator and the fix is build a road to bypass the private. But its the government and the BS bureaucracy is slow to grind out. Good luck.

hit here oct comes here we come

I am waiting for stories indicating that smugglers bringing in cheap Chinese or Iranian guns and ammo to sell to Cali crooks.

Ahh bare stick bow with wood arrows

In my limited experience the post 64 MOD 70 push feed was a very nice rifle. I love the MOD 70 safety and the trigger was consider solid and easy to tune up. The one 270 I had produced nice groups and 20-20 hindsight don't think I would have sold it. But where or who told you that this rifle would sell for $1200.00?

Hey I am a big 270 fan, I have two REM 700 customs builds and two Winchester MOD 70 Classics's. When you compare 6.5C to the 270 WIN loaded Hornady ELD-X ammo the 6.5 at 500 yards has 2030 ft/lbs and 1300 fps the 270 2157 ft/lbs and 1497 fps. Yes the 270 has a slight edge but bottom line they are both essentially the same. So 6.5C near the same for lower recoil and very accurate factory ammo vs 270 running a little ahead and with the ability of using 150 grainers, so pretty close.

Dang you would think that there would be enough energy to to blast chunks of bone and lead all through the lungs shredding arteries and veins and kill that sucker. One of the fastest kills on a deer was quartering facing shot that I had a 150 30cal hit the heaviest part of shoulder blade and blow up. It flipped butt over end and landed dead (saw hooves in my scope pointing skyward). Everything inside that ribcage was shredded.

looks like two copper cups. Did the bear stop after the first shot? Where are the bigger chunks of lead? No exit holes?

Hey a plain old cup and core Sierra or Speer in 200 gr 30 cal should be fine on elk and the ELD-X is a step or two up in robustness. 200 gr 30 has a lots of SD, mass and momentum. My one experience with ELD-X was in 270 at 350 yards on deer and it went through and through with one exit.

One more hunter pleased with ELD-X performance on game.

I have 8 boxes for sale $22 a box or $160 for the whole lot.