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Pretty sure it is 9 twist. I didn't get any bites, so I just sent it with a buddy to get chopped and threaded. I can ask my buddy if he will ship it for me, and I would ask like $100 cause of the extra cost of shipping and packaging. Lemme know if you want me to ask.

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I don't know exactly, except it got recalled.

Leupold VX3i LRP with CCH 6.5-20 x 50 in box with all the goodies. Very good condition. Will post pics later. $650 obo

Sold pending funds.

I will take it. Let me pay you and get down there to pick it up. PM sent for payment details.

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Retumbo 8 pounder, well almost. It didn't work in our 7 ss and only took a few loads to figure it out. I think it might be around 600 grains short. $240 local pickup only. First I will take it response to this post gers it.

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It appears you misunderstood the purpose of my comment. I never said the Berger target bullets don't work. If someone is going to make the choice, they should have more info and both sides. A) I think I read above that cjl2010 had an OTM pencil, likely because the meplat was closed, which is because it is not manufactured as a hunting bullet. And, why I mentioned closed meplats as an issue to watch for on bullets not designed for hunting. Hunting match bullets by Berger are purposefully open tip design (different than hollow point but functionally similar). I have talked with enough trusted hunters, especially long range hunters, who have had failures or less dramatic performance with the Berger target bullets. The benefits one might get didn't outweigh the drawbacks for them. They went back to Berger hunting bullets. C) Why is choosing a larger wound channel bad? Isn't that better for when velocity is at the lowest margin for expansion? Why do you have to attach it to a completely unrelated attack as if the choice is to make up for bad shooting? D) I don't plan on a bullet missing, that is one reason I use the best match bullet I can. If I were to make that particular choice then I would actually choose the harder Berger target bullets, long range accubond or the ELDx to punch bone harder in the case of a bad shot. E) If you like shooting them, keep shooting them.

True, I haven't. What I have shot, I have with match bullets though. Edited to add this: Make your own call. All of Berger's bullets will kill. Its just that the hunting bullets are better designed for it. https://bergerbullets.com/faq-items/can-i-use-my-target-bullets-for-hunting/ But, people use them successfully all the time. http://panhandleprecision.com/berger-6-5-mm-130-grain-ar-hybrid/

All I shoot are Berger hunting bullets. I only started hunting a few years ago so my personal experience is limited. But, in September, my 7mm Sherman Short mag took 2 reindeer and 3 blacktail. All were one and done with Berger 180 VLD at 2970 at the muzzle. A good variety of distances. 2 at 100 yards, 1 at 425 and 2 at about 575. A friend who build the same gun runs the 180s and he took a mule deer and elk, both beyond 500. I turned another buddy onto Berger, and he runs the 130 hunting VLD in his 6.5 cm and has had great success on a couple of hunts. I have done a lot of research, reading, and lots of reviews on bullets before I decided to go with Berger. Since then, I have have had lots of discussion with friends and contacts I have made in the long range shooting world who shoot long range and hunt long range, especially with 7mm variants like 28 Nosler, 300 BC Warrior (7mm/300 wm) and the like. Unless the velocity is really high, all the experience is that a clean shot into the vitals is a devastating shot with a match bullet. You get a few inches of penetration and then the bullet basically explodes (The ELDx is more like a traditional hunting bullet, but has some of the same effect). The guys I am talking about build and sell lots of rifles, run long range classes, and have a lot of clients reporting their successes and failures to them. Barbour Creek and Evolved Ballistics are two of them that come to mind. Barbour Creek has some test videos in ballistic gellatin that are helpful. Among them, the Berger 180 VLD is the go to 7mm bullet. They did try the 180 target hybrids, because the bullet design is easier to load for but they did not get the performance. They tried the 195 Bergers too, but came back to the performance of the 180. If you want Berger's hybrid shape, their Elite Hunter line is hybrid shape with thinner jackets. They have a new 175 Hunter Elite in 7mm that I am working up in loads, just to see if I can get a little more velocity out of them. Accuracy of my 180 load is .5 moa and better without much work. One of my contacts has had a couple of shots when the Berger VLD left a flesh crater on impact and did not penetrate at all, but that was close and at high velocity. It is debated by my contacts what caused it, but if I am hunting with my rifle in my hand, I always load some plain accubonds for any quick shots inside 150 yards just because the velocity on my Berger would be too much. I could push them to 300 accurately if necessary, but longer shots like that I can usually dump the accubonds and chamber a Berger. From my research, most of the discussion around match bullets for hunting are Berger hunting bullets, Hornady ELDx and ELDm. A few I have seen use Sierra matchkings. As long as the other match bullets have a "thin" jacket and the meplat is open, then it will perform generally like a Berger hunting bullet. If the tips are closed, they would not perform. As above, the OTM are not built for hunting, so the tip is manufactured with variation so some are closed (besides the jacket). Berger hunting bullets are manufactured so the tips are open. On bullets with closed tips, like a 115 DTAC sold by Dave Tubb but manufactured by Sierra, the meplat would have to be cut or opened. I run those in my match gun and they are awesome. But, rather than messing with meplats, I have 115 Berger hunting VLD loads for my 6 creedmoor. In the end, Berger hunting bullets are match quality and shoot so well, that is all I use. I do load for myself.

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Just reading through. As for the 130 OTM by Berger, they are not intended for hunting. Pretty sure that they have the thicker jacket Berger uses on target bullets. Back in the day, Berger match bullets used thinner jackets. Hunters love them, but the thin jackets would explode when target shooters ran them really fast. Berger switched the target bullets to thicker jackets and uses the thinner jackets in their hunting line. So, if you are running a Berger target bullet, I would expect the results you had with penciling more often. Definitely open the meplat to try to get better expansion. The better solution is to use a hunting bullet from Berger. I get the allure of running the OTM, they are great shooting bullets. And, Federal match ammo is loaded with them as well.

Looks good. Love the McMillan carbon stocks.

I have 5 pounds I am willing to let go. All new one pounders, pretty sure same lot. I haven't checked. PM me to exchange phone numbers.

Thanks!

Yes, mounted an Arca plate in front of the mag well. Quick in and out.

I get what you are saying. And, I totally agree. Getting a prone shot can be quite rare. I am the same way, I shoot to be a better hunter. I guess I am tacticool where it works, so I run a tripod. The only reason I do the tacticool stuff is cause it works as a hunter. Tripods are awesome, really only beaten by a bipod with rear bag. I wouldn't waste weight carrying the long legs for a bipod when I already have my tripod.

Pretty sure Modular Evolution has long legs to swap in for seated.

It can be slow, yup. Definitely a learning curve to it as well. It is just another tool. I have practiced, so I feel comfortable deploying it pretty fast. If needed, I just shoot off a bag on top. If deer are moving, it seems like an eternity to set up everything. But, bedded, they work great.

For a quicker shot, I shoot right off the tripod, but I toss a lightweight shooting bag over it so I don't have hard to hard contact. I shoot the local PRS matches to improve my skills, and I use the shooting bag over all sorts of stuff. I taught two new hunters how to shoot off the top of a tripod in the kneeling position. Dad carried the tripod, pointed one leg towards the deer and set the bag on top of it. The kids were taught to point the rifle the way the front leg was pointing, and how to find the deer over the top of the scope and then move to the sight picture. They were very fast to acquire the target and made perfect shots. I had them practice with my .22 rifle, and it made a huge difference.