Markleo21377

Just got to see these in person as they were getting caped. Awesome animals! Congrats!

I now see. If you apply for a higher fee tag then automatically have to pay full price even if 2nd choice youth is drawn....bummer. I did not realize that was how that was applied.

Elkaddict, I may have missed something. If he drew the hunt you highlighted it is in fact a youth only hunt and should be $50. Am I missing something?

What an old warrior... awesome 👍

Excellent, I am excited for you guys. Grab a flatline map of the area and if your circumstances allow get up there camping this spring and summer and get to know roads, water sources, and trails. As it gets closer keep us posted on how things are going. Mark

Do you mind me asking how old your boy is?

Typing to fast/spell check.....sorry. Raghorns Prerut/rut

In my opinion his research is fairly accurate. The unit as a whole has gone down in quality. I have helped 5 guys on late rifle hunts and went 4 for 5. Mostly taghorns but saw a couple dandies. That said it still holds some great bulls and having a rifle in hand, the pretty/rut, and first crack at them leans some odds in his favor. Keep me posted on how your scouting goes. I know that unit well and might be able to help. Congrats to to him! Take care, Mark

Burn 12 on a hunt that takes 20+ to hit bonus round? I wouldn't say that is burning. I believe they switched that to an early hunt this year and may impact how much bugling and rut action you encounter. If his heart is set on a trophy early rifle hunt and willing to potentially wait 10-15 more years than turn it in. If he wants a really good hunt for a 320-350 bull with potential for better it's a great choice. My opinion of course, Mark

Congratulations on the tag! Yes, calling is very effective in there that time of year. I took a buddy from South Carolina last year on archery hunt and saw over 30 bulls before he killed his. Look at topography, location of springs, avalanche chutes and you will find the elk prefer a certain elevation and type of topography. We ran into lots of guys who couldn't turn up a bull and I was sick of calling taghorns in. It's not magic just need to know what elk need and how they behave....comes from lot's of time in the field. Good luck, Mark

Bull elk late rifle 27 or 8 for my 11 year old!!

Best part is it's my 11 year old...either 27 or 8 late rifle bull!!

Just got a hit....bam!

Desert guide, I had a early bull muzzleloader tag in 2019 and ran a bunch of cameras. I think I pretty much knew most bulls in the area up until the hunt. I ran into and actually developed pretty good relationships with two guides on that hunt. Neither ran cameras because they knew every glassing nob, preferred bedding area, and food source around from boots on the ground and years of experience. No cameras needed as they said. I tagged out early and ran into a guy from wyoming who was struggling and took him in on biggest bull I knew of 366 net and helped him kill it. I did it for free of course. However, had I been contacted in advance and asked by him to perform a service "guiding" at an agreed upon cost and met legal requirements to do so perfect! We killed that bull 1/2 mile from where guides were glassing...I showed them bull, we high fives, and wished each other well. This guide vs DIY is just one of many ridiculous issues dividing us.

Fellow hunters, I try to approach these highly controversial subjects with an open mind. I will preface my comments with the fact that I love running trail cameras and have used them for about 15 years. I also have tremendous respect for most guide services and their guides. I also can appreciate the passion on both sides of this issue. The challenge I face with the trail camera debate is it has changed public land hunting and created more controversy over water especially. I respect Sir Royals opinions, however I have seen it on more than a few occasions in Arizona. A guy is sitting water early archery and another hunter has driven 2 hrs to check camera and it's his only available time to do so. A heated debate almost coming to blows ensues. Not uncommon. I challenge most of you fellow hunters to ask if you would feel comfortable in most units putting an unlocked camera on known water sources?! I have had multiple cameras in multiple units stolen in lock boxes....not by guides but by fellow hunters. I even run dummy cameras and have got pictures of guys cutting bolts off. I now run most cameras high using tree steps to access. Once a " trophy" animal is seen on a camera, on a particular water, many people's mentality about that area changes... it's factual data. Like most privileges in life that get restricted, the cause is often contentiousness amongst those that value it the most but also abuse it to a degree it ultimately gets regulated. Unless we unitedly work on teaching ethics and morals to the next generation it will continue to spiral downhill. I have heard of Sir Royal doing some great things for young folks....thank you sir! I have run into some great outfitters making people hunting dreams come true...thank you! We are getting fired up on " the effect"....let's start showing the same zeal working on "the cause". Respectfully, Mark B

Hey all, Hope everyone's 2021 is off to a good start and you and your families are doing well. Just throwing this out to gather thoughts and opinions ahead of the elk draw. My buddy from Michigan's 17 year old daughter has 6 elk points as non-resident and I am hoping to help her kill her first bull elk as a graduation gift. We are looking to put her in for late bull and I will be scouting multiple weekends leading up to the hunt to give her the best shot possible. She is knocking on the door of the bonus round for a few units 4a, 6b, 7W, 8, 9 and should be guaranteed 22N both late hunts. She's a stone cold killer with 5 eastern whitetail bucks, 1 mule deer, and one cow elk under her belt and shooting 500+ yards is not an issue. Our goal would be to shoot a decent 280+ bull.......thoughts????? Appreciate it, Mark

Howdy, I honestly don't know. On this ranch with a good trail system to get utvs close to the animals and a great cleaning/ processing set up it makes sense to get out of the field quick and hanging. I will say the process they use was new to me but now I really like it and it is very clean and meat seems to have less chance of contamination unless of course we make a lousy shot. Good luck in the draw sir!

Yotebuster, Very well could be. The genetics in there produces split g3's on quite a few deer.

Man, That's where it's at! Not sure if you have any kiddos older than her but if not treasure every moment....in a blur they are grown. Her pony tail matches fox tail the way she's holding it 🤣 Thank you for bringing some clarity to the muddy waters we call "a hunting forum" and good luck in the draw!

Yessir, Actually all last years except one. We saw probably 20 still holding antlers which I was really surprised by. Alot of marshy bottom ground in that area and they do real well!

Honestly, very mixed feelings by all I've talked to who's prepared and ate it. We roasted one whole while out there and it was pretty good. Some parts were a little stringy but I bet with a little love would make some good pulled pork sandwiches. I made a mess of breakfast sausage so we shall see. Good luck to you in the draw young man!

The suspense of what I did/didn't draw was killing me so we headed to my buddies ranch last week in Texas for spring break......thought by pretending I didn't care about the draw it would happen 😒 sorry to change the subject....figured it couldn't hurt!

Couesdeerhntr, I agree with your thoughts. It's crazy how degraded the content has gotten and how much disrespect for people's opinions ones feel at liberty to express. I by no means am implying that there are not good, salt of the earth folks on here, but what happened to being interested enough in someone's expressions that we asked adult, respectful questions when we disagree or don't understand. I tell my son that this forum is like hunting camp with the guys. We love each other but also rag the heck out of each other every chance we get. Nothing personal, even though it appears to be. That reasoning, wildly imagined, is why I keep coming back and sharing our memories moments in the field. Good luck in the draw!!! Mark

Great bow for kids. Adjustable draw length and weight. Set at 24 lbs and 22" but can be adjusted for growth.

Great starter bow for kids.