300RUM

Your're more right than you might expect. I am partially right handed and partially left handed. It depends on what I am doing.

Is that an integral recoil lug on it? Looks like a candidate for a nice switch barrel gun.

From my mid 20s to early 30s I had the archery bug real bad. I hunted everything archery, sometimes even quail. I sold my 2 hunting rifles but kept my best scope. When I decided to get back into rifle hunting I bought a Remington 700 LSS in .300 RUM. As I could afford it I built it into the rifle I wanted, HS precision stock, jewel trigger, extended magazine, shilen barrel, heavier recoil lug, lightweight striker, blueprint the action etc. The 700 has an incredible amount of aftermarket part options and is a great starting point for a custom gun. After I finished the .300 I built a lightweight 7mm-08 AI off another 700 action.

Was that the wrong turn that sent us over the cliff?

I think it's about time we make a left turn.

Reminds me of Patton "The key to the future is in the past"

Found another of the old newspaper articles. These guys sound like an operation that could afford to hire a little "claim jumper repellent". Arizona silver belt. August 28, 1908, Image 4 THE MAZATZAL MINE PLEASES A DIRECTOR Developments So Satisfactory, Duluth Director Recommends Withdrawal of Stock From Market A. II. W. Eckstein of Duluth, a large stockholder and director of the Mazatzal Copper company, paid a visit of inspection to that company's property last week. After a careful survey of the remarkable surface showing, and an examination of the development work to date, together with a discussion of plans with Manager Shaw, Mr. Eckstein, upon his return to Jerome, expressed his conviction that the element of uncertainty attending all mining ventures in their infancy had now been eliminated in the affairs of his company. He said he did not regret in the least his long and expensive trip for the purpose of examining the property. It is very gratifying to the many Jerome stockholders, says the News, that the opinion of Mr. Eckstein, as a representative of the Duluth stockholders, should be so entirely in accord With that of the local shareholders. The finances of the company being in a most satisfactory condition, it has been dedecided, on his suggestion to withdraw and not offer for sale any treasury stock for many months to come. A report, just received from Mine Superintendent, Stegman, states that the bottom of the shaft is improving as depth is attained, by showing more sulphides. Editorially the Jerome News says: "The development of the Mazatzal property into a producing mine, means that millions of dollars will be expended in the Tonto Basin country in the developing of her great mineral resources, the erection of smelters, and the building of railroads. And as the Mazatzal is fast reaching that stage, Tonto is now a good place to look to.

At 74 my father is hobby miner and geologist. He mentioned last year that getting to see an old mine from around 1900 was on his bucket list. The mine was known, at the time, as the Mazatzal Mine or The Mazatzal Mining Company. It is possible it may have been renamed at a later date and go by another name. I have been looking at maps and Google Earth but have not been able to pin it down. It seems like it should be somewhere in the north end of the Mazatzal Wilderness. The newspaper articles I got this information from are from the Globe Arizona Silver Belt, 1901 to 1911. The claims are on a ridge. The south end is at 7000 feet, dropping to 5000 feet in 1.3 miles then to 3500 feet in 0.5 miles. They are on a line from Globe to Jerome. There were 80 claims at 20 acres each, adjoining. There were 3 miles of road and 1500 feet of shaft and tunnel. It was 90 road miles from the Globe rail head. The Mazatzal Mining Claims were formerly owned by Irving M. House. There is a House Mine NE of north Peak at 34 09 36 by 111 26 53. It’s good whitetail country. Anybody seen anything while hunting out there that could be this mine?

I appreciate anything you have to offer. If the article is anywhere near correct the mine is on a ridge off the north face of a 7000 ft peak. Nothing that high north of Doll Baby. Still, if you have a possible match up there, I would be interested in looking into it. Some of the statements in the article could be a bit off. I have been chasing my tail trying to figure this one out.

Ballistics is an interesting science. They don't mention the test barrel length but 26" is common. My 7mm-08 AI can launch a 140 gr bullet at 3000 fps from a 20" barrel. With the same bullet weight it has can achieve the same velocity with less powder because of its larger bore. The 6.5 will have a bullet BC advantage because of it's smaller bore. I would think they will end up getting a little more velocity out of the 6.5. Their 3000 fps is noted as an early test result. With all the variables how do we ever choose a chambering for our rifles? Looks like we just got another choice. I do like having choices, keeps life interesting.

Does this mean we no longer live in an abomination? Oh, did I spell that correctly?

OK, after reading the article, this doesn't match the description either. 15 miles west of Payson and south of E. Verde puts it about 6 miles into the wilderness, past Doll Baby Ranch, which apparently was Taylor Ranch. I love maps, especially old ones. This one is "interesting" to say the least. Been working on it on it on and off for a few months. I believe the west of Payson reference to be due to the fact that they left town to the west on the Doll Baby road. My guess is at some point they veered south. It is the only place to find the 7000 ft elevation. It is also supposed to be south of the east Verde. That is a difficult combination with west of Payson if you ineterpet them as precise compass headings. Another position report is that it is on a line Between Globe and Jerome.

I left Globe heading back to Phoenix late yesterday afternoon under the threat of a "severe winter storm". I drive a tractor-trailer and that section of 60 is a whole lot of no fun when it is covered in ice and snow. Yesterday the snow plow driver looked rather bored sitting on the side of the road at top of the world with nothing to do.

Has the bow been "paper tuned"? That is a great way to tell if the arrow is leaving the bow straight. If the arrow doesn't launch straight it will do strange things in flight. There is also a flow chart based on knock low, high, left or right tears to correct minor misadjustments in knock height or rest adjustment. there are different charts for right and left hand shooters. Use the correct one or you will drive yourself crazy. I haven't heard of hogwire strings. I think archery is 50% skill, 40% science and 10% witchcraft.

This is the old newspaper article that describes the mine's location. ARIZONA SILVER BELT. THURSDAY, DECEMBER 19, 1901. GLOBE DISTRICT MINING NEWS. The Week Has Been a Very Busy One in the Local Mining Field. MAZATZAL MINING PROPERTY A Croup at Claim Controlled by J. W. Wentworth, of Payson, the Most Promising In Tonto Basin. Old Dominion to use Oil at the Mine. John W. Wentworth of Payson who has been detained here on business for the past two weeks, returned home on Tuesday. Mr. Wentworth has been for a number of years, and is now, largely Interested In mines in the northern part of this county. Being at one time an owner In the Grand Prize mines upon which the first smelter in that section has recently been erected, and is now making its first run with flattering results. He was largely instrumental in investing capital to take hold of that property. Among his other holdings in that section, is one of the most ideal and largest copper, gold and silver mining properties in the west. It consists of 30 claims in the Mazatzal range, lying on the south side of the East Verde River, about 15 miles west of Payson and about 85 miles northwest of Globe. These claims run north of east and south of west on a large "hog back " that breaks away from the main range towards the north, sloping down from an altitude of 7,000 feet, at the south end of these claims, to an altitude of 5,000 feet in a distance of 7,500 feet, then breaking off to that of 3,500 feet, within the next 3,000 feet, the abruptness of which makes an ideal tunnel site, where the veins are exposed in such a manner that by drifting in on one of them, a sufficient amount of ore could be taken out to almost pay for the work, and at the same time penetrate the mountain, at a rapid gain of depth, where the other veins could be crosscut from this drift on a very economical basis, and perhaps the drift might disclose that the many veins showing on the surface are united at depth in an enormous compact body of ore. The veins on the surface show many different characters of copper ore, all of which are of fair grade, besides carrying gold and silver values of no Inconsiderable amount. The development on this group of claims is very limited, as the owners, of whom there are several, (yet Mr. Wentworth has at this time the full control) have not had the means to develop the property as they think It should be developed. The only objection that has been urged against this property has been Its distance from a railroad, which is one that all now districts have to, and do, overcome, and when it is overcome in this instance, the Wentworth group will be worth many hundreds of thousands of dollars.

I went to the site and grabbed Turret Peak (the map to the west) also. It is dated 1933. The 7.5' maps I have of the area are from the late 60's and early 70's. These older maps may have some clues. Thanks for the input.

As far as impact point shifting when shifting when changing from field points to broadheads it may be partly a shooter issue. I generally shoot both to about the same point of impact, my partner does not. We shoot the same bow and both use 100 gr thunderheads. This has held true for years and with various shafts. We can't explain it. Thunderheads may be a bit old school but they are tough. I have actually had one penetrate a rock and pulled it out in usable condition.

Looks like someone just found an excuse to buy a new scope.

Check the balance point of your arrows, it should be about 10% front of center. Example : for a 30 inch arrow the center is at 15". The arrow should balance at a point 3 inches (10% of 30) closer to the tip from the centerline. If your arrow is to nose or tail heavy it will cause erratic flight.

I suppose that was easier than copying it down and typing it in. Then again, for me, maybe not.

Thanks, I have been to both a number of times. The elevation profile doesn't fit. The mine should have it's south end neat 7000 ft dropping as you head north. It would have to be on the north side of either Sheep Mtn. or Mt Peely. Maybe around North Peak or Mazatzal peak? I am beginning to believe the mine is not indicated on the 7.5 topos and probably hasn't had a road going to it for many years. You would think 1500 feet of tunnel would leave tailing piles you could see, but they have had over 100 years to blend back in.

Interesting. Looked around a little. It looks like it is basically a 6.5 WSM. It has a magnum bolt face and a 2.960 COAL (short action). Claimed velocity is 3000 fps with a 140 gr bullet.

Some do get just what they deserve. One of my favorites happened around 9 years ago in Glendale. These 2 truly had 3 digit IQs, on the wrong side of the decimal point. If you are a pair of carjackers in west Glendale running from the police what kind of brilliant escape plan would you devise? Obviously, if you crash through the gate onto Luke AFB the police will terminate their pursuit. They did, however, overlook one minor detail. They were not traveling anywhere near fast enough to outrun the M-16s carried by USAF security police. You can only hope the guys the got you will have a similar experience sometime in the future.

Let us know how it works out. I tried to get a limited production remington once but got skunked. The fact that I wanted a LH model didn't help. I have only owned 1 browning. It was a nice rifle but I chose to sell it to fund customizing a remington.

The Nightforce NSX that is replacing the Leupold VX-R on my lightweight arrived today. It adds 5 oz. I think you know what my vote is. Thanks again for your input.