Swarovskicoues, you are the one that layed out the small base statement. If you can't answere the question I asked I believe it is because youre only repeating babble you've heard or your lack of experience is validating your statement. Seeings how your first experience was 2 long years ago that is not surprising. It is a rather simple question. And no, I'm not trying to be a tough guy, I'm not trying to hide. My name is Travis Scott. I do have my numbers on this ram, and they are little closer together than your guess. A guess is a guess. One thing for absolute certain though ol swaro man, when this ram is measured one side or another will eat crow...if you are man enough to own up to it.