stillatmaxpoints

The Boquillas is a good model, nothing wrong with hunting the way we did 30 or 40 years ago, if you have to have some camera use, January 1 to June 1

just a guess, Reed Peterson

the article you posted, said 2,783 acres, divide that by 640 acres (one square mile) and it is approximately 4.3 square miles sold.

The one article is incorrect, saying that the state sold 270 square miles, state sold 2,783 acres which is 4.3 square miles, most of this land is closed to motor vehicle access and hunting because of nearby housing development

if you look back at my post, i said most, not all. On state trust lands it is all if built by the ranch or rancher, on federal lands i know ranchers that own there stock tanks and permanent improvements, and some do not, could have to do with water rights filings etc, if you really want to know just do your research on federal lands, i have never owned nor would i own a federal grazing permit. Something to consider, if it had not been for ranchers developing waters from the late 1800's until present day, you would have a lot less game to hunt to in this arid state, a good example is the coconino plateau, Boquiallas ranch and Babbitt ranches, unit 9 and 10

Obviously you know little about how grazing leases are administered both on state and federal lands, such as state trust lands they are for 10 years not yearly.

There are some good points in the two bills. From a business point of view from a rancher not having someone setting right on your stock tank is a good thing, cattle will not come to water as easily as they normally do, some distance would be a good thing. Having a trail camera season is a good thing, Nevada did that very thing, that way use of trail cameras was not outlawed completely, a season would bring back some meaning to the fair chase concept, which is no longer in effect on the Arizona strip, where there are thousands of trail cameras out there year round, the really big bucks don't have much of a chance there, other units are getting to be the same way, especially in units with very little natural live waters in them

ON arizona state trust lands the rancher does own the stock tank structure. You can do some research and find that to be fact. On federal lands the same thing applies. A southwest retired regional forest supervisor verified that to me a couple of years ago

Most of the dirt stock tanks that are built by ranchers in Arizona are actually private party improvements, if there were built by the ranch, be it new stock tanks (or ponds as some people call them)or ones built 50 + years ago, the are private property of the ranch or ranchers, on state trust lands and federal lands the water itself may be owned by the state or Feds, but the actual improvement built to hold the water is private property. Explorer, you are incorrect on your conception of ownership of the stock tank ownership

Most of the dirt stock tanks that are built by ranchers in Arizona are actually private party improvements, if there were built by the ranch, be it new stock tanks (or ponds as some people call them)or ones built 50 + years ago, the are private property of the ranch or ranchers, on state trust lands and federal lands the water itself may be owned by the state or Feds, but the actual improvement built to hold the water is private property.

Virtually all of the horses that are being discussed in this topic, are off the the different Indian reservations, they are simply feral Indian horses, many you can still see Indian brands on them. I was involved in catching one of the last bands of true Spanish mustangs in this state 60 years ago, and they were truly wild, if they winded you or saw you a mile away they were gone

If your considering a guide, you need to at least contact Double H outfitters, they have killed more big rams in those units than anyone, last year a 183 out of 24BN, year before a 184 in 22

Congratulations on your ram, i guess i will have to change my name here after hunting sheep in 28 this year from stillatmaxpoints to two points

If you don't think trail camera use has went to far, then go to scouttohunt.com. Actual hunting skills could be a thing of the past in 20 years. Also just remember hanging cameras on rancher developed stock ponds(which way outnumber G&F waters) is actually trespassing, that improvement is private property of the rancher, on all private and Az State Trust Lands, on federal lands it depends on which district supervisor you talk to.

If you look at the map legend, the stage 3 closure in those two counties is for Arizona state trust lands

1972, Catalina mts

I sent you PM

It was on the cattle ranch that i grew up on, went by there many times horseback, 55 years ago

Southwest side of the bradshaws, near fort misery, wheels canyon

Miller's have a drop off trailer in Alpine

this is a well built trailer.

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still for sale, $900.00 OBO

Price change $900.00

There was some there, not sure what happened, there will be some there today