AZ_Native

Just happen to be doing some reloading today and realized I have not brought this topic up to a forum. Last Fall I got my Coues buck with a rifle tag. It was an average size buck that I took at 310 yards. The rifle is a Remington 700 Long Range Hunter (it was a little earlier model prior to calling it that but same dang thing...). Shooting 168 Berger VLD's out of it at about 2,798 fps on handloads. The ballistics calculator puts the bullet at 2,369 fps and 2,093 ft/lbs at that distance. The rifle has pretty much been a lazer for me and the bullet hit exactly where the cross hairs were placed. (not that 300 yards is a difficult shot...) I have always heard the Berger VLD's enter a little bit, then expand violently, giving a quick kill. This bullet appeared to have literally no expansion that I could see. There was a 308 caliber hole going in and a 308 caliber hole on the exit wound. I was by myself so didn't have time to get shots of the insides and actual wound channel. Granted, the deer dropped within 5 yards of where I hit him I am just curious as to the potential "non-expansion" of the bullet. That concerns me a little about using the bullet on larger game at different distances. I'll try to post of the entry and exit wounds later, but thought some folks on here might have some experiences to share on the same topic. It was a double lung, so obviously the deer had a very limited life span after I hit it, but if it were a less than desirable shot and I don't get that wound channel, I don't want to watch an animal walk off and never recover it.

The place up north shut down this year. I haven't had a bad experience at DPR. People have to remember that they are pen raised birds, They don't fly or flush like wild birds do. If you miss the bird and you go chase it again it won't fly as well as it did on the first flush, heck, they may not fly at all. I can see how an handler can get frustrated when their dogs work hard to find birds and the shooter can't hit a dang thing. I'm happy to hear that your experience wasn't bad. I agree. If you miss the first chance, then it just makes things harder. My buddy and I are both good shots. Out of the 20 there was only one bird that really got away, and we were able to find him and whack him anyways. For those that are going to take kids I would be very clear with DPR what "your" expectation is for what a successful hunt looks like (being realistic of what this really is). The customer should be able to express that and have it met. There were a couple times the first shot was missed and the backup shot got it. That certainly helps! I am looking forward to getting out there this year and testing my dog out. I am holding high hopes he does well!!!

Can't argue with that point. If I recall I went between the ribs on the entry and exit. Even though it was a pencil in and out an animal won't go too far when you double lung it. Mine only went 5 yards in this case. I would rather make a perfect shot at 500 yards with an accurate bullet and track it 50 yards then waste a lot of meat. Interesting you have seen the other bullets do the same when it's only hide. Most of my animals have been arrow kills so I am learning more about the bullet dynamics these days.

Everyone tell me your secret Blue Grouse hunting spot in 3....2.....1...... Ok, so that might be a bit of a stretch for anyone to tell me. I might stand a better chance of snow in downtown Chandler this week! Last year, I saw a Blue Grouse on one of the reservations while driving to go fish. I know there are a few small pockets of these birds in AZ, usually accompanied by long, steep, grueling hikes to get to them. Well, I just came across a group of them a couple of weeks ago. Apparently called a "lek". Fits right in to the timing of the tail end of the year where they form their leks. At first, I thought they were turkey poults, but only later realized that was not what I was looking at. As well, I have a spot where I regularly see band tailed pigeons. So, I am super pumped to bag each one of these birds later this summer and plan on spending the effort to do it. I know the grouse have a 1-2 acre range so I am holding high hopes to bag at least one when it opens. Same thing with the band tails. Obviously, I would never divulge my super dooper top secret locations, nor would I expect anyone else. But, anyone else here have some luck getting some of these birds? I would be stoked with just one of each but hoping to get a few when I am out. I am just excited I have some solid locations to succeed with this endeavor. Post up some pic's if you have them! A side question to this, would it make it more difficult to bring along a Chocolate Lab for the Grouse? I'm not to sure if they will stay in the tree with a dog running below or if they would have a tendency to run off on the ground. My pup keeps a pretty consistent 20-30 yards perimeter and works in arcs in front of me. (not sure where or how he learned this, he just developed it naturally and has never had an interest in going beyond that). Would not be feasible to take the pup going after the pigeons. I have observed them enough while hunting other critters and the best method for them seems to be finding the location you know they frequent and still hunting them.

I wasn't sure if they had actually started reintroduction. I think they should keep those areas closed for some time after the planting. I also think they should email me the exact location once they open it up....

Zeke, interesting comments. I have not searched pencil holes for Bergers, but sound like I am not the only case. No doubt, those bullets fly like a lazer when you figure out the handload, and I can certainly attest to that. I trust their BC numbers more than any other bullet. Not sure if the thin jacket promotes variable expansion responses that people see. Mine was definitely pencil in, pencil out. However, it dropped within 5 yards. Any solid double lung is going to drop an animal within a reasonable distance. Red Rabbit. Unfortunately, it was my last day to hunt. My buddy had to leave the day earlier, so I had to do all the hard work alone and didn't have a chance to take pictures of the vitals. If I recall, I only remember seeing pencil holes thru the lungs. Wish I would have taken the time to take those pictures. I can't complain about the fact the deer was 5 yards from the shot, but this thread is about the other factors obviously. I guess I am still perplexed that they advertise so heavily on the massive wound channel and exit, but I just didn't see that in this case. WHT MTNMAN, that goes back to why I don't know that I want to use Bergers for hunting now. Sounds like too many pencil hole results and the other results are more like softball exits. Lots of bullets out there that keep their weight instead of exploding. Not sure what I will get now using my Bergers. I don't trust the Nosler ABLR for many reasons, but I am starting to trust the BC numbers I see from Hornady's ELD-X's. Interesting what Zeke mentioned about using the ELD-M's for hunting. I emailed Hornady and told them they are missing the boat with the 6.5CM. The 147 gr far outmatches the 143 ELD-X in performance. They need to produce that 147 in the X variation for hunting. Given Zeke's mention, maybe I should just use the -M for hunting though... Zeke, I disagree with you 100% on the meat. The Coues front should meat I have had is incredible. Some of it was ground, but the steaks were every bit as tender and tasty as any other part of the animal, including the tenderloin! But, maybe I just shoot prime deer....

DSE, that is part of the reason why I question sticking with Berger bullets for hunting. I don't want to waste potential meat. One of their claims is essentially the bullet "exploding" inside and creating a massive wound channel. It also potentially equates to a massive exit wound and meat waste. DCSHORTHAIRS, I have seen all their videos. That video certainly doesn't replicate what I saw on my Coues. I'm not discrediting the effectiveness of the Berger bullets, but I am certainly questioning my overall desire to use them as a hunting bullet moving forward. Lack of expansion in my case, conversely, massive expansion in their "typical case" that leads to more meat loss than I would prefer. This kill worked out well for me, but I guess my point of this post is to get a multitude of in-field experience and feedback. At this point, I am not sure what to expect from a Berger bullet at any range based on their claims/videos and my personal experience. I'm interested in hearing more feedback from the group!

Interesting feedback. Is the consensus that high velocity closer range shots may result in little or no expansion on smaller "big" game animals? Like I said, mine went 5 yards and dropped, so far be it from me to say this didn't result in a near instant kill. Point being the expansion. I too an now looking at the ELD-X only because the boxed Hornady ammo seems to shoot sub half inch out of my new Ruger RPR in 6.5 CM. I have the 140 Bergers and the hyped Nosler 142's to play with as well as the 143 ELD-X's. I see the Creedmoor becoming my deer gun, my 7mm becoming my "loan to a friend on a hunt" gun, and my 30 Nosler my big game round. Either way, I am curious to see other results. The 162 gr ELD-X seem to shoot really well out of my stock Sendero. That might become a good round for me in the future.... IF I CAN GET DRAWN!!!! dang 2017 deer draw results...... I think right now I am pretty safe out to 500 yards to make a consistent kill shot. Will be working with a few of my rifles to expand that range a little bit further. I'd like to have a solid gun to 600 yards, maybe 650. Anything beyond that I will probably work my way in to a better shot position, at least until I think my handloads and gun are solid enough for those long-butt 700+ yards shots. Who knows, I might get drawn for the side of a barn soon, so I'd better be ready!!!

I've heard lot's of people say the San Fran Peaks hold them, but that is a TON of land to cover to get on top of them. Up in the Kaibab as well. That would be a fun trip to chase them and some Chukar, but it's a heck of a drive from the Phoenix area. I read they were looking to re-introduce the grouse in several different locations in AZ. That would be awesome if they did that. I am sure a lot of people would have a good time chasing them if there were more populations and pockets of them in our forests.

Interesting comments Vowell. I kind of wondered if the pup flushed some on the ground if they would hold in a tree. Sounds like I'll try to take him out there and work him in the area I saw the birds. I'll definitely post pictures if I succeed in getting something. Brademan, I am somewhere in the state of Arizona... Specifically, I am between the CA and NM borders of Arizona and I am South of the Utah/AZ border. I'd give you GPS coordinates, but I'll be darned if my GPS quite working right when I started typing this post... As for your breeding ideas, I think there is a forum somewhere on pigeon sex that might be applicable!!!

I went to this place earlier this year. My experience wasn't altogether bad. I took a coworker in from out of town and we each got 5 chukar and 5 pheasant. I would not call the bird handler a conversationalist, bu any stretch. The dog handler was pretty nice. I set my expectations appropriately. It's a canned hunt. Some birds may fly off and get away. We had two birds jump fields but we were ale to take the time to get them. Her dogs did pretty good, and yes, she had to "kick" a couple up. That was my ethical dilemma of this hunt. But, like I said, I knew where to set my expectations. Later in the season they run specials with leftover birds, so we each got 10 birds pretty cheap. I have a less than two year old Chocolate Lab that has turned out to be 100% naturally gifted at hunting. I plan on taking him out early season to see if he picks up on this type of hunting as he has only been a duck and dove pup so far. He seems to have the nose for it, so this is where I see this scenario working out to "place" the birds nearby and let him have some success finding them, then see if it translates to him developing the nose for it. Sucks to hear someone have such a horrible story at this place. I am not defending them, but even though my experience wasn't terrible (I would call it average at best) it's a bummer to hear someone paid that much money and get a raw deal/experience. But, I can easily see how this place could make a bad hunt for someone else. I have heard a lot of great things about the place up North and definitely plan on getting up there with the dog. I'll hit the place in Coolidge just for a quicker road trip to get my pup some experience.

I use the Backwoods Original Jerky Seasoning (Bass Pro, Sportsmans, etc...). Make that recipe with top round, which tends to have the lowest fat. You don't want any fat in there if you can help it. Trim it as lean as possible. I generally do 5-6 lbs at a time, as that is what will fit in my dehydrator. I have a slicer and cut my meat to about 1/4". I marinate at least 24 hours, but being that thin I don't know that it's required. I get requests to mass produce this constantly. Not a single person has had it that hasn't told me they would pay good money for it (and I have certainly considered doing that on the side...). Oh, I should admit that I may use the Backwoods recipe to a "T" per the instructions, but I also add another 5 or 6 ingredients to it. Of course, I can't tell you what those may be! I will only tell you that mine has a nice kick and warmth to it. Even so, if all you did was use the bag's recipe, the jerky will turn out fantastic. I just used Backwood's summer sausage bag and made 21 lbs. They really do have a good thing going. Got a lot of great compliments on that, and it was just their recipe, nothing else added. Use their bag for jerky and you won't be disappointed. Most of all, have fun and experiment with your recipes and find what works best for your taste.

Well, it was bitter sweet. Can't count how many times I have gone empty-handed bow hunting over the years. The past few years I have been putting in for rifle tags too. Was drawn for October Muley, then Coues last year, and once again Coues this year. On the Muley hunt, saw nothing but nice Coues bucks every day. Put in for Coues the next year and only saw a couple Muley bucks... Then, I go out on a last-ditch archery hunt, spot a toad of a buck 1,000 yards or so away. Make the 3.5 hour perfect stalk of a lifetime, only to arrow him at 55 yards, follow a solid blood trail for two days, and never find him. Total bummer. Not to mention, within two months of that I tagged a nice 5x5 bull with the same bow at 47 yards and watch him run away with my arrow sticking out. No blood found and after countless hours searching, we gave up. Needless to say, I have a new bow now! This year, put in for same unit, October Coues hunt. One hunting partner got called on a business trip and the other one (airline captain) got hosed when the company changed his yearly training schedule and forced him to go right during the hunt. So, instead of going solo my neighbor's son, who is in college, came out for a second set of eyes. We were only finding does, and one day I found a spike, but couldn't get them to stay still and being on a steep down slope I couldn't get the right shooting position. To top it off, the later half of opening day I took a bad fall. The good news is, my $1,000 rifle scope broke my fall and I walked away uninjured... I was prepared to take a 500-600 yards shot with that rifle. Now I am on my backup rifle, a Rem 700 in .308. Ironically, that gun shoots .15" groups consistently with my handloads. However, the scope is not the nice Vortex Viper PST and I had not spent any time using my closed turrets to dial out to different ranges. I knew my gun was zeroed at 200 and I shoot the 300 yard steel blind folded, hands tied, facing backwards.... all day long. But, I second guessed myself. On day 5, and the last day I could hunt, I went out to a new glassing spot that gave me a different vantage point of the same general area. Facing one way and glassing the larger chunk of land, I decide to stand up, walk over 10 yards and take a look at the hillside closer to camp. (I had hiked from camp that morning just over a half mile to the spot) What do you know, the very first spot I lift my bino's up to lands smack dab on a nice Coues. Literally, as soon as I put the bino's to my eyes he was dead-center in my view. I had to do a double take, as it was a nice rack and heavy bodied deer. Now, I range him at 405 yards. I should have completely trusted my .308 at that distance using 5.08 MOA on the App. But, not having spent much time using that scope like I do on my 7mm I second guessed my self. I would have comfortably pulled the trigger at 600 with the 7mm. There were a couple more deer with him and being 7:10 am, I figured I had time. I decided to close the gap with a simple walk to 300 yards. What happens then? I made the mistake of not glassing up the buck every 10 yards or so just to keep tabs... I get to 300 and he is no where to be found. I saw one deer go over the top, but given the terrain, there was likely no way I would have found them had I tried to follow. I was sure the big guy went the same way. Enter the spike on the same hillside. He starts feeding toward me a bit from 350 down to 300 yards, then beds. I didn't have a clear shot with him bedded, so double checked ranges, set the gun up, dialed for 300 yards (2.5 MOA), and waited. This gave me about 40 min to look for the big guy. Only ever saw a couple of Mule does, then spied up a nice Muley buck about 200 yards away. Decision was made, as soon as this guy stood up, I was pulling the trigger. Well, he did, then I did. He went about 4 yards and dropped. Bullet went right thru, and oddly enough, no expansion. Perfect 308 cal hole in and going out. Double lunged him though. I was just surprised the 168 gr VLD Berger had no expansion at 300 yards... I was kicking myself found not taking the 400 yard shot on the big guy with a gun that regularly shoots .2 to .15 MOA with my handloads, but when you don't have the really nice scope on it and have not practiced at varying ranges, then it was the better choice to follow. Moral of the story??? ALWAYS bring a backup gun! Sub-moral 1 of the story? Always practice out to 600 yards with your backup gun... My .308 I am guessing will shoot 2" groups at 600 yards... Sub-moral 3 of the story??? Always buy Vortex! I called them, told them that the scope broke my fall, and they told me they would likely not even attempt to fix it and just send me a new one. Which is exactly what they did, free of charge. Gotta love their warranty! Another moral of the story... Always be happy with a buck, no matter what it looks like, how big it is (mine was still a good size for a spike) and enjoy the simple fact you get to spend days out in the wilderness hunting! On top of all this, the meat has been nothing short of phenomenal, and I even decided to process this one on my own. Too bad the neighbor had to go home the day before. Would have been nice to have his help humping out the deer!

That is the upside of shooting a spike, just post-rut. The meat has been awesome. I will pick up the rest of it from the butcher, hopefully next week. I just cooked my sister and brother-in-law from DE some steaks last night, and they wanted more!

After a not so good year last year losing a nice Coues and a nice 5x5 bull I went out and bought a new bow. Gotta say, I am loving this new Hoyt Defiant Turbo!!! A day after getting it this summer I whacked a nice turkey! Fast forward to late October and I got my rifle Coues deer. It may have been a spike, but it was a nice bodied deer and very very tasty! Two weeks after that we embark on our archery bull elk hunt. I'm not out for trophies, but I'm sure not going to pass up a toad... We are in it for the experience and the full freezer, so any bull to us is fair game if it crosses our path... We seemed to be running in to elk everyday, and made some stalks, and were even seeing some nice 5x5 and 6x6's. But, we just weren't having any luck and not as much action as we were hoping for. We decided to go back to an area where we saw lots of elk last year, and sure enough, the morning we go out there we spy up a giant 7x7. I delayed working my way around to where I thought he was going to go back in to the trees and in that time another group of elk came in to the clearing on the other side. Some spikes and a nice 3x3 in that group. I decide to leave my hunting buddy there and work my way around. By the time I got over there all the elk had gone in to the tree line. I bumped some cows and also a group of spikes from just being careless. I hiked up the knoll that we always see elk on and spend some time up there, but didn't run in to anything until on my way down. Bump a couple nice spikes but could not get them to hold up. So I work my way around the other side of the knoll thinking they may go that way. No such luck, but bump a nice 5x5 about 30 yards away. He never gave me a chance... I text my buddy and suggest we head home for the day and use a new game plan for tomorrow morning since we didn't want to have to hump out an elk during the night from this area anyways. Well, on my hike back, I get back on to the flat stuff in the junipers and have a cow walk out in to the open about 60 yards away. She looks at me and I decide to draw back in case a bull is in tow. She jumps off and takes a few other elk with her but no bulls that I could see. Walking stealthy quiet and slow about 15 min later, I hear some sound behind me. I turn to see some movement through the junipers about 60-70 yards off. It was trotting then stopped. It gets to a spot where I can see its head, and its a bull/spike. Thinking that I am going to have to quietly parallel him and hope to get an angle at a shot, he decides to turn around and start walking right to left now. Then he stops once again and decides to walk in my direction. Arrow already on the string, I latch on my release and realize this guy is going to walk right by me at be at about 30 yards when the shot is going to present itself. It was playing out like a hunting show on tv! My only problem was I had a very narrow window to shoot between junipers and I was going to have to thread the needle between branches. On top of that, I was going to have to grunt at the precise moment so he would stop with his vitals in the window. As he is fully obscured by a set of junipers I have ample time to draw and set myself. I put the pin in the basic area and pull my head back a little. He hits the spot and I make my best tv hunting show grunt I could muster and he stops.... precisely where I need him to. With him looking straight at me aft that sexy grunt I have a few seconds to place my pin. I launch that arrow at 326 fps and an instant thud. All heck brakes loose and he starts running. I can still see him and 15 yards he takes a head first digger. He gets back up and runs out of sight, but I hear another crash followed by loud wheezing. Not seeing an arrow, part of me though I MISSED? But, the sounds told me otherwise. I waited a minute, the wheezing subsided, and I walk to where he got shot. No blood, no arrow. I start to follow the tracks a bit and start seeing blood, but not a ton. I was 90% I whacked him hard. I do a little half circle and there he is. Balled up about another 20 yards off in a juniper. Clean pass through the boiler room. I get my buddy on the phone and direct him to the spot. We go look for my arrow and found it 35 yards away caked in blood behind some other junipers. I'm just really dig'n this new bow. Very wise investment! The new fixed blade broadheads I am shooting fly like field tips and made perfect cross shaped entry and exit wounds as well as perfect crossed in the lungs. Little to no meat waste. We start the hard work now and get him skinned and quartered. We had just under a mile walk to the truck each way so I packed out about 70lbs of various meat on the first trip, and my buddy the heart, liver, and balls. We go back in again, this time with my frame pack, so I pack out both hind quarters (ouch ouch ouch... I can still feel that one) and he both front quarters. Lots of stops along the way, but we make it back. I head back in for the cape and head, which we had at least dragged partially out, so it was only just over a half mile each way. Just gotta love hunting and the experiences you get with it. I'd do it all over again and hike twice the distance with a bigger bull in a heartbeat! I have no problem taking a spike, especially now that I can focus my energy on helping my buddy fill his tag. No such luck on that, but we learned a lot more about our unit and what we would do different next year if we get drawn again. Absolutely great meat on this bull, and will be good eating for a long time to come. Going to have the hide tanned and we'll hang that up on one of the big blank walls at the cabin. It should look really cool once it's all cleaned up and done. Taxidermist is just going to cut the top half of the skull for me so I can put that in my home office somewhere. I am lucky to have a very full freezer this fall! Sorry for the novel, hope you enjoy the story and the pic's! GOTTA LOVE A NICE BIG CHUNK OF YOUNG BULL BACKSTRAP!!! It has proved to be very tender and very very tasty!

Come on folks, you all know you go out and spend all that time to harvest a nice buck or bull so you can get a hold of those dangling bull berries or buck berries. It's ok to admit it... My favorite show on TV is Steven Rinella's MeatEater. I take as much of the animal I can, I keep the skull, keep the cape, etc... I am a bit of a foodie, so none of this is really a stretch for me, but I think it adds to the experience to attempt to use and eat as much of the animal as possible. This year, I decided to keep the, um, "dangling parts" from my Coues and my bull elk. Anyone have any good recipes for these? I know Steven Rinella has a book out with some recipes on the buck berries, but I am curious if anyone here has a good prep method and recipe. I also took the livers as well. Cooked up my turkey liver earlier this summer, and that was pretty good. Now I have tons of Coues liver and bull elk liver... Throw out some ideas please! Thanks!!!

Yeah, I understand it's the bow, but I would say it's easier to shoot than my 2003 Hoyt Ultratec I had. I like the idea of having the much faster bow too. I am using the Slick Trick 1" broadhead. I'd have to double check, but I believe I have the 100 grains on there. Shooting the slimmer arrows and all in weight is 360 grains. Coming off the bow at 326 fps it's a pretty flat shooter and carries great kinetic energy.

There is NO GOOD elk tenderloin. It is all HORRIBLE meat.... You should immediately package all of it up and ship it to my house asap. Do not attempt to eat it. I will properly dispose of it..... In my belly! Is there any BAD way to cook it??? Heck, I think it's awesome with a dash of olive oil, salt, pepper, and a BBQ grill, cooked to a nice medium rare!

I'm gonna be interested in how my Coues liver and elk liver turn out. I need to start researching some ways to cook it. How did you prepare the liver DesertBull? I'd have to say the Coues heart might just be the single best tasting piece of meat I have ever had in my life. Buttery soft and tender, perfect texture and consistency, and a slight tinge of liver taste all made for a fabulous flavor profile. I have not had Muley heart yet.

I love elk heart. I think Coues heart is much more tender and tasty, but I kind of fall in to the Steven Rinella philosophy of eating as much of the animal as you can. Besides, I am somewhat of a foodie and love trying new foods, no matter what it is, so it's not really a stretch for me. Mr. Natural is spot on about prepping the heart. Coues heart is much easier. I break that down in to basically 4 steaks and cook them as whole pieces to a medium rare. Super tender and tasty. I found elk to be far firmer so Mr Natural's cooking style is what I found works better too. I cut down the heart and get anything fatty our fibrous cut off. I end up with about 4 or 5 large pieces. They are all sitting in vacuum sealed packs in the freezer now. I'll have to try his recipe, but even a simple one works well. Heat a cast iron pan on the stove on med to med-hi heat, melt butter and toss in some garlic. sprinkle some kosher salt and pepper on to the meat and quickly fry on both sides. Do not over cook. You'll get the full flavor of the meat this way, which I think is great. You can also fry in reserved bacon fat. I have a high country seasoning that I put on them too. I find the heart to be a great cut of meat. And people that are afraid to be adventurous with food are often pleasantly surprised at the taste. I got my late October Coues and my mid November bull elk, so I have a selection of liver, heart, and rocky mountain oysters (heck, let's just call em BALLS!) to experiment with now!

May as well start a new thread to start a new duck season. Let's see some pic's of the pooches. My "little" puppy Drake will see his first full year of Duck hunting. He just turned 1 yr old a couple of weeks ago and has a very natural birdiness to him. He did great on Dove a month ago with virtually no training. I guess it was OJT for him... Had him out earlier this year when he was still pretty young and small (compared to his 90 lbs now) on my neighbor's junior duck and he got to do a little retrieving then. Will be interesting to see how he does now! Drake, a couple months ago up at the cabin in Pinetop. This dog loves his walks in the woods and keeps a tight 20 yards working perimeter. Earlier this year on his first taste of duck hunting with the neighbor's last day to junior hunt. Don't mind the mergansers, he wanted to try to cook those... "I'm ready to go float the river for some ducks dad!!!"

Well at least your dog runs back to the truck! That would make me pretty nervous.

Thanks PelaPapas. He does get a lot of compliments. He ended up having that classic Chocolate Lab physique and great coat. I feel I got really lucky with this find. He has been a joy to raise without really causing any trouble at all. He's just a big couch potato that will jump at every chance to go have fun outside! akaspecials, I would agree with that spot of the river. I don't hunt it much, but you certainly have to pick your steps carefully. Now I just need to get the bigger kayak that will handle this pooch.

And hoping to see something like this again!!!

Remington Sendero II in 7mm RM. 168 gr Berger VLD w/ Nosler brass at 2,970 fps. Little Bastard muzzle brake, trigger job (2.5 lbs), with Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP. Just now getting this dialed in, but will probably still skim bed the action and have the smith blue print it. Right now it's already under .5 MOA, but I want better! I was tempted to take my Rem 700 in .308 since I have that down to a consistent .15 MOA, but I need to put a better scope on it like I have on the 7MM. Oh well, I guess I better go spend some more money at Sportsmans Warehouse!