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They don't know what they are talking about. Google search the model for the upc and bump it against the website above. It covers all Long Ranges and Sendero II. I spent 3 hrs in the store looking them up yesterday.

If you are near a Cabelas some of them are running a 10% off sale on "pre-owned" guns. This includes alot of the overstock Rem700 LRs that are out on the racks in front of the gun library. MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A BOX/OWNERS MANUAL w/ UPC. If they do you can get 10% off PLUS the $150 rebate. You are required to send in an original UPC off the box or manual to qualify. https://remington.rebateaccess.com/promotion.php?p=74837 --- CHECK YOUR UPC HERE FOR REBATE I could have killed the Cabelas gun library guy yesterday. Brand new Sendero .264wm on sale 10% off plus the $150 rebate... until he tells me they threw the box away along with 15-20 other Remington boxes because they didn't have room...... so no rebate. Which meant no sale to me.

That $150 rebate applies to Senderos as well!!!

If anyone is looking to try one I am selling a Chocolate Lite for $125--- used one season.

Awesome!! Nice looking bear

I've been considering the purchase of a back up rifle to take with me on trips and also double as a solid, general purpose rifle for hunting here in Texas. I'm looking for a bolt action rifle on the lighter side that will not need a bunch of extra, aftermarket components, but will be durable (synthetic stock, maybe cerakoted), reliable (not a fan of detachable magazines), reasonably priced (thinking scope and rifle in the $1000ish range). For cartridge I'm looking for something that will be moderate in recoil (without a brake), handle up to elk sized game out to 300 yards, easy to find quality factory ammo (hence the back up part) and also easy to find reloading components. My current tools in the tool box of rifles are a 6.5x284, a 7 RUM and a .338wm (2x Rem 700s, 1x Win M70) Here are my thoughts: Rifle (I want a 24" barrel to be able to squeak out some extra velocity, see cartridges below) 1. Weatherby Vanguard Wilderness 2. Rem 700 SPS stainless (hate hate hate the stock) 3. Kimber Hunter (I know i said no detachable mags) 4. Browning Xbolt (mag issue... and its either a 22 or 26" barrel) Scope (dang hard to keep in budget) 1. Leupold VX1 4-12x (best option to stay in budget?) 2. Leupold VX6 2-12x w/CDS (price on these is coming down) 3. Swaro Z3 3.5-10x w/ BT 4. Vortex Razor HD LH 2-10 or 3-15x Cartridge- 1. 270win-- I like the ability to push these fast....and also be able to bump up to 150 partitions 2. 30-06-- I like the ability to go from 150 to 220... What are your thoughts??

DECISION IS MADE. Thanks for everyone's input and the offers as well. I made my mind up that I was going to find a 270 or 270wsm that I liked the best and go with it. I saw alot of 270wsm available in stores as well as reloading components so I felt good about ability to get ammo as needed. And honestly-- if you are looking at box stores and even smaller gun shops--- the price between quality 270 ammo and 270wsm really isn't all that different (maybe 3-4 bucks a box for Accubond/Partitions/etc). The big difference is being able to find Core-lokts, Win Power Points, etc for $20/box for the 270. I will end up handloading for this rifle in the future anyways I'm sure, once I get caught up on my other rifles first. I went to a few stores today and fondled a few more variations of rifles. Weatherby Vanguard, Browning Xbolt Long Range, Tikka T3x, Savage 116, 3 different Remington 700s (Mountain SS, SPS and CDL SF). I found that I loved the feel (and the looks) of the CDL SF the best, hands down. It is a standard 270, 24" stainless, fluted with a nice looking wood stock. I'm not crazy about having wood but the balance and looks more than make up for it. Plus I got a heckuva deal as it was unfired on the used rack. I already have a 700 pillar install kit and a jar of DEVCON at home. I will play with the trigger and see how I like it and go from there. I have a fair amount of wiggle room for the scope so that will be the next decision.

Dies are sold- I have the pearce grip extension for the G27 mag-- $15 +3 for shipping.

**Add $3 for shipping** Paypal only Chocolate lite Release $125 Hornady custom grade Dies .243 FL $25 DNZ game reaper WIN M70 LA 1" med -$40 Leupold dual dovetail Browning Abolt SA 1" low BASE and RINGS $25 Leupold dual dovetail Win M70 LA 1" med BASE and RINGS $25 Unknown manufacture med 1" dovetail one piece ring/base $15 G27 Gen 4 9rd factory mag- $15 G19/23 **LEFTY** SERPA Blackhawk holster- $20 NOMAD--- Mossy Oak Break Up Country unless otherwise listed, most is New Without Tags except the Sward pants which I wore regularly. Orange hoodie XL- $25 Integrator Jacket XL- $60 Syncrate hoodie XL- $60 Dunn Primaloft Vest XL- $50 Sward pant L-$30 Syncrate pant L- $50 Neck Gaiter-$10 Sapwood Merino Long Underwear Top L $25 WHOLE SET FOR $250

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From my experience violence is the only thing they understand. Sadly, there will continue to be Manchesters and the enemy will continue to find new ways to cut us deeper until we as a nation and across the globe decide that enough is enough. "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse." - John Stuart Mill (ironically a British Philosopher)

I've been doing a little looking and found a T3 Stainless/Syn for $619 but its 270wsm so its 24" and I've not handled a Tikka with a 24", theres a Rem CDL Stainless Fluted 270 (24") for $730.... then two 30-06 decided to make life really difficult.... a Weatherby Backcountry $819 and a used Kimber Montana for $775 both with 24" tubes. It isn't leaving much room for a scope so I might have to wait to top one off. Funny how the more you look the more you find things you like. One more question on the Tikka magazines-- are there issues with magazine length vs COAL if you are loading longer projectiles or chasing the lands? I saw a whole set of posts on DIY magazine stuff.

Of the rifles I've handled T3 Lite, Xbolt, Rem 700, Weatherby Wilderness, Kimber Hunter-- I preferred the balance and feel on the 24" barrels. As for the magazine- I've always had floorplate style rifles and I don't like the idea of something happening and a magazine dropping out during a hunt or losing it and I don't like the idea of having to pay 30-40 dollars for a spare or a replacement.

There's a lot of love for the Tikkas. I will go back and check them out the two big strikes are barrel length and magazine. What scope would you recommend within the price point or a little over?

Are those monoliths? Not much in the description. And why 1-7"? Length?

Go get a new breech plug and start shooting some Blackhorn 209. You can tweak it just like handloading instead of just shoving two pellets down and hoping to find a bullet that shoots well. I found a load that shoots very well in my CVA Accura v2--- 1.5" at 150 yards... can't ask for more than that. ***CAVEAT*** Blackpowder measurements are done BY VOLUME... not by weight. However-- this makes it hard to get precise, repeatable charges when measuring by volume in a charge tube. So I measure my charges by weight and do the math to equivalent charge volume to ensure they are safe... For example--- Most modern muzzleloaders warn not to use more than 150gr of poweder... BY VOLUME. If you stuffed 150gr by weight that would be over 200gr by volume and it would make for a bad day. Most accurate in my rifle was 85gr BY WEIGHT of BH209 and a Scorpion Gold PT 260gr Sabot. This equates to roughly 110gr of volume so it is still well safe and it shoots awesome.

Really dont want a detachable. The wilderness has a floorplate and a magazine model. The tikkas are really smooth but I don't like the 22" barrel... or the stock. I think I'd go with a longer barrel on an xbolt before a Tikka but that is personal preference. Glass is the hard part- I'm not opposed to Vortex, I've run lots of their stuff past and present. There are some good prices on VX2 and 3 with CDS. We will see- depends on what rifle and which price!

Bummer to hear about the matrix. The barrel twist does seem to be an issue- not gonna put a custom barrel on the back up gun. Still drawn to that cartridge for some reason. Just spoke to a gentlemen who has that Weatherby Vanguard Wilderness. He loves it-- it comes with a BC stock and 24" fluted tube for $700ish... not a bad deal.

I killed one in a salt marsh near Savannah GA when I was stationed there. Limit is 1 per day but its the only one that I've ever seen.

While I have not adjusted any of the turrets, I think the ballistic turret has the 3 rings that you set when you find your own zero and your correct dial for 4 ranges. Zero distance, and then 3 other distances, like green=300, yellow=400, red=500. The turret rings align to show you when you at that distance. Like a yardage marker or custom turret, but is adjustable by the shooter for the load used. I could be totally wrong though. That is my take on them. Lance is right. I messed with one at the Outdoorsmans this past winter. Here's the link to the Swaro youtube explanation. On paper-- http://www.eurooptic.com/swarovski-bt-ballistic-turret-instructions.aspx The adjustments are still in 1/4MOA but the color coded rings basically give you a quick spin for a known range. Example- If you set the baseline zero at 200 yards you would use a ballistic calculator to determine how many clicks needed for 300 yards and then set the first ring. However- you can set the 3 color coded rings to whatever range you prefer. Just know that if you set them for 300, 400, 500 and the animal steps out at 450 you spin to your 400 ring and dial however many additional clicks needed to get to 450. It is important to note that on the Z3 and Z5 models (I don't know about Z6, etc) that once the zero stop and BT are installed you only get one revolution of the turret (13.5-14 MOA). They have 58 MOA of total adjustment but not after you set zero and the turret.

Crazy looking! His jaws seem misaligned--

The more I look the more I like the 270 or the 270wsm. 165 and 170gr available (with a fast twist barrel) Seems like they should fit in a Rem LA mag box as well with room to spare. Would there be a drawback to that fast 1-8" twist in a 270 if you want to load 130s for deer/antelope and 170s for black bear/elk? Do you lose anything by fast twisting lighter bullets?

I've got the 6.5 angle covered with the 6.5x284 but it is definitely going to be a 'primary' gun for chasing whitetails here in Texas and hopefully pronghorn next year in Wyo. I know everyone is in love with the creedmoor but I like the option of being able to go a good bit faster with the 270 or alot Heavier with the 30-06. I also feel like since I don't own a rifle in either of those two classics that it would fill a good niche in the safe. If Remington put a decent stock on their SPS we might already have a winner but since they basically need a stock and trigger right off the bat I've opened the aperture.

RUM- I think you bring up a great point on velocity vs barrel length and I've read enough of your threads to know you're a huge 7mm-08 proponent. I think the only 22" barreled rifle I've ever owned was an abolt II in 7mm-08. I never even killed anything with it but my roommate when we were stationed in Oklahoma killed his first deer and a nice hog. Of the rifles I've handled lately I think there is also personal preference for the 24" barrel over the 22". The Kimber Hunter, Remington, Weatherby and Brownings that I handled all had 24" and I preferred that over the 22" on the normal xbolt. Of all the rifles I handled the Weatherby Wilderness had the best 'feel' and I think its a Bell and Carlson (or similar) stock they are using. The browning would be in high contention (even with the magazine) but I feel like they downsized the stocks on those Xbolts-- all the dimensions feel a hair smaller than what they should be and I'm not a duratouch fan. I had that on my Maxus and it gets chewed up wayyyyy to easily.