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That there is a Beast of a buck ... I would venture in the 132 - 134 range

I have missed taking some shots because of a half mile of nasty country at a real steep angle that would have kicked my butt even trying to work up it. However, this past year I missed a give-me shot(145 yards) right over the back due to not taking the angle into account. It happened quick when he got up, and the white flag began to raise like he was about to bust. Shooting off hand and completely negating the fact that it was a steep uphill shot found my bullet going right over his back and killing the rock above him. I made the adjustments for elevation fine on my second shot as he tried busting out but my lead was a bit forward as I killed the rock right in front of him at what would have been perfect elevation. None the less he was headed the way of Mexico and that was that. It is always amazing how the angles can throw off one's perception of distance and how easy it is to end up high even on a shot that you tell yourself when it is over " How the Frack did I miss that" and it is usually then you realize the effect an angle can make shooting uphill. I told myself that not taking into account a steep angle like that will never happen again, and I hope it does not.

I definitely do not see any issue with this and usually this time of year guys/gals scouting make up a much smaller percent of people than those out running the forest roads with their OHV's.

It is a tragedy to see something like this on the Eve of Thanksgiving none the less... I hope that everyone will have these children and adult passengers in there prayers for all of this holiday season.

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That is fracking hilarious... Where is a hungry mountain lion when you need him

Just reminding all of you guys not to get robbed next year when putting in for the draw. You should all steer clear of the December hunts since they will be cut almost two weeks short ending on Dec. 21st 2012.

Wow Jeremy you must really be butt hurt from elkaholic's comment about you not just packing up your blind. To then try and compare that to a flatbed hitched to a truck in the field is hilarious Taking something that does not belong to you is wrong no mater the circumstances, but we are not talking apples to apples here. I have seen forest service and G&f removing things like blinds, trail-cams, tree-stands, and even just chairs from our hunting grounds, but never seen them unhitch a trailer and take it. I agree with elkaholic on his notion that, if you are going to get butt hurt when you find something you leave in the field missing, don't leave it at all. heck for all anyone knows the blind may not have been secured as well as it should have been and thanks to strong winds is a half mile away rotting in the woods. If it is against the law to leave something in the woods for a certain number of days and then it is removed by an official doing his/her job is that your fault or theirs? The catch 22 when you leave things unattended is, how do you know exactly what happened? Seems everyone always assumes the worst and says it was stolen but that may or not be the case, Right? is it possible that it was taken by proper officials? a simple yes or no is all we need, but we all know that it is not just possible but probable as well, since so many have witnessed the action of items being removed from our forests by officials whos job it is to manage it.

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I am posting for my cousin who is looking at selling his two unused Integral Tactical military Bivys. They are the Crysallis models in woodland camo and retail for $250 and up. He is looking for $170 each but will listen to offers on both to one person. This is the same bivy used in the military. For details here is the link... http://www.integraltactical.com/product_detail.cfm?id=695&CFID=3100118&CFTOKEN=91137410

Well I am back after hunting a rough 5 days in the weather and gusting wind down in 36B. We spotted and glassed up tons of coues, but unfortunately not many bucks. A few Spikes a fork and a missed opportunity (missed shot) on a respectable 3x2 on Monday. Weather made it rough: wind, rain, and hail, but Disrespect from someone sporting the Coues Whitetail.com brand on their shirts is what made me sick for the first three days of the hunt. I have always grown up learning to respect my fellow hunters and give them space to hunt the areas they are in when I come upon them. Numerous times on this hunt, found my cousin and myself driving by desired areas by at least a couple of miles when evidence of a hunter in the area was there (like the truck parked at the base of a hill or drainage). I even drew back twice after hiking into an area and relatively quickly glassing hunters working the same area from the other side. I guess it is a matter of respect, and one that a fellow member has none of, a guy assisting a hunter and for the first three days parking nearly on top of us and trying to position himself glassing between us and the drainage we were working... The first time we made our presence clear as we glassed from the flats up the range, by standing up and watching him look at us from his truck. Our plan to glass from the flats before pushing up an intermediate hill (a spot, we had prepared for glassing from, the day before the hunt began) was short lived as he parked 20 yards down from us and pushed right up the face of the hill that was right in front of our truck. Instead of raising some heck we moved to another location far from this guy. The next morning he beat us to our spot and while still a little pissed, I gave the respect I was taught, that he failed to give us , and we moved on down about a mile and a half to another ridge on the other side of the mountain. He looked back and waved as we drove past him and the hunter. The next two times we arrived first in this area he showed up later only to keep insisting on parking right on top of us and trying to push past us and the country we were working. I Hope the guy sporting the hunters orange hat and the coueswhitetail.com shirt reads this and knows that he is the same kind of jerk he probably shuns when it comes to hunters and respect. He is in the same class as a person that takes another persons downed game or steals the back straps from a hanging elk in camp. If you are the guy that kept parking next to the white Ford Raptor we were driving, know that someday the guys you are screwing with may not be as accommodating as myself and my cousin were with you. Hopefully you were able to get that toad hanging around that area to give you a shot (not really), I actually hope he makes it to next season.

Might be that something came out of adjustment, but if this was last weeks hunt I would bet that those spiraling winds and huge gusts were making most long shots a bit less accurate...

It has nothing to do with the number of tags nor the number of days a hunter chooses to spend in the field. It has to do with respecting others period. I have been on hunts with 800+ tags in many units and never found it hard to move by hunters who are working an area before me and move on to another spot and find game. Sometimes I hike out and sometimes I find areas close to roads ideal for glassing but 36b has no shortage of roads or areas that may limit hunters the ability to respect one another. Nor is it hard to stop and introduce yourself and share your reason for wanting to work close to the same area (something that if done, would have changed my feelings about this guy) making excuses based on number of tags and length of ones chosen hunt is a poor excuse to act in this kind of manner. Like I said, Twice in another part of the unit I hiked into an area (no other trucks or proof of hunters) and quickly glassed up hunters who had not spotted me, as soon as I was aware someone came in from another side I quietly pulled out and left the area. I did not have to go more than a couple miles before finding deer in area with no others around, just no bucks I wanted to shoot. It is a Big unit with good populations all over, and plenty of access. There is no excuse for a guy doing what he was doing. After seeing his actions, and though I would never condone it, I can certainly understand why confrontations and retaliation happens in the field.

A wave back at you Winmag. We did see you up in the hills, that wind must have been cold on your face the morning I saw you standing while your friend was driving back from the back side of that road. Beautiful country back there and a lot of deer just seems the bucks were hunkered down real well. Not an area I would give up on in future hunts. We worked that area hard by foot and glassing the first few days even when the (Richard) kept persisted to be on top of us. Seen some small ones but took no shots back there. Thursday we seen almost no one back there, Friday just a couple, Saturday I started to think there was strip club at the end of road that was responsible for all the traffic. After the Sunday morning traffic and hunters driving their buggies with barking dogs it was time to move on to some less traveled country. This was definitely one of the craziest hunts down there this year with the weather and so many (Richards) on the hills. With that being said we did talk with some awesome hunters many of who had very similar experiences when it came to finding the good bucks we all know are in the area. Good luck on all your future hunts and next time we will say Hi in the field. Chris

The digital camera got left behind without realization until we reached Green Valley. The guy was not hunting, but was guiding (not sure if he was an actual guide) a hunter, and sporting the long sleeve Coueswhitwtail.com shirts. They were driving a pretty specific truck, popular make but in a V10, and had two bumper stickers on the bumper but no CW.com on the window. Winmag most likely seen the truck as we did see him in the area a couple times.

Cool Pics... I have seen plenty of good rams in that wilderness

That is not what he said. He said he believes that some people will voice in public that it wrong to steal and vandalize but when no one is looking they swipe a camera. That is not what he said look at the context in which he wrote it. His reference is that ( Well, looks like a lot of people are out there( i.e. public land) doing this ( stealing and vandalizing) and A LOT( meaning a large part of the action) of it has to be from other hunters who condemn it on a thread. ) His thought is represented pretty clear and is ignorant.

Assuming makes an Azz out of you You seriously have made one of the stupidest remarks I have read on this forum for years. To make the assumption that people who disagree with and voice it on threads are responsible for A LOT of the vandalism and theft in the field is pure idiotic. The fact they condemn a practice does not mean they lack the morals or ethics to respect other peoples property. If I was betting, I would put that a good majority of this activity comes from competitive hunters in the same group who use similar practices. If you look at the few instances where people have been caught and highlighted as being in the wrong, it was a person doing the same thing and being unethical based on a competitive nature. The guys I hunt with understand it is a vast hunting ground and could care less if it is a trail-cam, tree-stand, empty blind, or another jerk-off hunter being an azz, they will not sacrifice their ethics or morals because they don't agree. They just find a different area to enjoy their hunt. Some people really should think before assuming or making blanket accusations. You may be a real good guy but your statement here flags you as a jerk-off until proven otherwise.

I have had the fun of almost running head on into a group of 7 of these banditos 2 years ago, not very far from where this incident happened. It was on a scouting trip with my cousin and luckily I spotted a moving red bandanna about a half a mile ahead through the trees. We stopped and scoped them for some time. Most were carrying AK's and after doing an inventory of ammo and the three pistols we had in the truck we decided to pull back. We were able to share the location of the bandits with BP about an hour later and they were not surprised, stating that many of the trails in that portion of the range see more of this kind of activity due to the location and that the roads road conditions that limit the amount of BP patrols. When he called in the spotting he stated he would probably be the one heading back that direction but since it was only an hour or so til sundown that a drone would be used first.

What the.....????? ok minor mis statement - the 30-378 instead of 338 - my mistake i was refering to energy at 1000 and i took it to mean ft lbs. referring to recent article in the western hunter discussing ballistic performance at 1000 yrds. i'm not gonna try to quoate whole chart - 150 grain - b.c. 0.49 -- 30-378 - MV-3560 -energy 4224-- 300 win-MV-3290 - energy 3608--- 308- MV 3000- energy 2998 at 10000 yrds - vel 30-378-1590-energy 850 - vel 300 win- 1442-energy-695 -- vel 308 1228 ,energy 552 180 gr - b.c. .52 -- 30 -378 MV -3420- energy 4675 -- 300 win - MV 3130- energy 3914 -- 308- MV 2880- energy 2880 -energy 3041 at 1000 vel- 30-378 1716 energy -1176 -- 300 win - vel- 1532- energy-938 -- 308- vel-1302-energy -678 sorry for my misquote at less than 200 but " AT 1000 YRDS THE MAGNUMS START OUT WITH HUGE MARGINS OF ENERY AT THE MUZZLE - BUT THEIR MARGIN IS AS NARROW AS 400 OR EVEN 200 FT-LBS AT 1000-" you need to read the article in the latest western hunter - Bullet Proof - basically the 308 can out-perform the bigger magnums accross the board at 800 yrds. here agin i'm quoting the article - not from personel experience. 10000 yards !!! seriously, it has been my experience that it depends on the hunter as to which gun is preferred, and as 308nut said that lots of practice and experimenting with different loads is required. Remember that muzzle velocity and the bullets BC have direct impacts on the True velocity and trajectory of the bullet, as well as other environmental factors.

Firstcoues is right. All of those calibers can become efficient long range hunting rifles with a combination of good hand loads and good optics. The main thing with long range hunting is obtaining the Highest velocity with the Highest BC(ballistic coefficient) and that is only usually achieved by Handloading or paying top dollar for custom loads. Higher BC usually means heavier bullets, in comparison to lower BC bullets in the same caliber the higher BC bullet may be traveling a little slower at 1000 yards but it will retain much more energy and be less effected by wind. No matter what caliber you choose you will need $$$$ and lots of rounds and practice to build up an effective long range hunting rifle. p.s. By learning to hand-load the cost of ammunition will be significantly reduced and should not be an issue. I shoot a .300 RUM and spend 1/5 the cost per round over factory loads. 100 rounds for dang close (give or take a few bucks) to the cost of 20.

I reload with my dad and he uses 12-20 grit walnut or 1014 corn cob, never any issues

Even though I knew right when it opened it was a Halloween costume... I had to give it to read and do some laughing. That is awesome, and I would bet your costume will haunt some of the hunters who see it

Phenomenal Bucks ...

Just giving a call out to all the Coues Fanatics out there, and seeing who will be down in 36b on the upcoming Nov 4th hunt!!! I will be with a group of 6 tag holders including myself with 4 first timers(Should be fun teaching) down in some of my favorite Coues country. For those Fellow CWT members sharing those hunting grounds during this hunt, feel free to shoot me a PM and I will give you details on where we may run into one another and crack open a cold one (hopefully after some first day filled tags). Good Luck!!! To all the hunters on the rest of the ongoing and upcoming hunts.