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What makes you think they are going to call anyone once a tag is surrendered ? And would you at that point give up your points on a tag without any time to scout or prepare for a Hunt ? I would not ! If G&F offers them first come first serve over the counter without losing points they will be flooded daily with calls to see if any tags were surrendered and of course the other thing you may see is the guy walking in with a buddy ( or maybe someone he is getting $$$$ from off of craigslist) surrendering his tag and letting the person with him swipe in and buy it up .... I feel the best we can hope for is that the surrendered tags are given to the hunting charities like Hunt of a Lifetime... because with something like this in place I am betting they will suffer, losing a lot of tag donations. p.s. seems pretty easy to negate most if not any loopholes by making it Once per species on individual applications only . Why does that seem so hard ?

There was not that much communication on it or how the process would work ... A couple years ago when they were talking about creating the portal system , they were talking about and announced the possibility of making an account upgrade that would cost a little each month that would potentially allow those upgraded members to have a tag surrender option ... There was a post on here with a lot of questions and concerns , since then I do not recall seeing it in G&F news or as a bullet point for any of the meetings ( I could be wrong ) I think those that helped with the structuring see the loop holes and are chomping on the bit to abuse them.

I agree with Bonecollector ... It is Ripe for abuse the way they have it worded .. There are already people who abuse the tag transfer for Kids that put Grams and gramps and non hunting spouses in to effectively increase the chances for drawing a tag then transferring to a minor ... IMO even that should be a one time per species per minor child. Not to mention up to 24 hours before the hunt starts ... It should be at least 2 weeks prior to the hunt and G&F should make the tag available First come first serve. With a 24 hour window I doubt they have any intention to offer the tag to another unsuccessful applicant.

Small Game was a marlin 39 .22 Lever action ( age 10 ) Big Game was a Winchester Model 70 25-05 ( age 13 ) ... When I was 18 and in a Bind I wanted to auction off this gun , but Dad said No way and He would hold it for safe keeping until I was financially stable again ... Came to sight it in a year later for a hunt, and found it was gone and he had traded it for a 300 win mag ... To say the least I was a Little pissed

At 500 - 1000 if they are up I will see them with my eyes and no wider field of view than that so I want to see them tucked in the cats claw or hiding under a mesquite ... I think when you are talking sitting and glassing 500 yards plus 12x or 15x is a minimum ... I like the Vortex Viper HD 15x , because of the size I can use them off hand pretty well and My Walking Stick is a Monopod so really easy to brace the glass and pan fast or slow .. however I am feeling ( kind of best of both IMO) ... I do not think I would go under 10x unless it is for the pack and for glassing through thicker wooded areas while on the move. just my 2 cents.

Depending on condition and rounds down the tube IMO 600 to mid 600's Tops

Price dropped to $450 ... Selling only as a set

I am trying to help my dad sell a set of wheels and tires for a 2005 or newer Ford Super Duty ... Here is link... http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/wto/5336222181.html ... Price dropped to $450 for forum members

It is acts like this that give us all a bad name.... I am betting there are hunters out there that know the person involved because in these times it is all about bragging ... I hope they catch this wasteful SOB. http://azgfd.net/artman/publish/NewsMedia/Reward-offered-for-information-on-mule-deer-killed-in-Mesa-near-lower-Salt-River.shtml As hunters we need to call out those individuals we see, including friends and relatives, that do stupid things that hurt the future of Hunting....

It was in a open archery unit, the issue is not the kill ...The issue is the wasting of game... It is illegal to cut off the head and leave the rest of the deer to rot without taking the meat.

Made in CHINA !

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Gambel's are monogamous ... The chicks almost immediately leave the nest to stay with the parents ... They have 10 - 12 eggs that hatch in about 20 days and gambles can have multiple hatches ... It is easy to see as the varied aged chicks will run with the parents and you can tell by the varied sizes/ ages of each hatch with the parent .. this last year we seen pairs running with as many as 30 + chicks and 3 - 4 different ages.

Pretty sure it is still illegal to remove any Indian made artifact found on state or federal land ... everything like arrowheads, pottery , beads , ect... is suppose to be left . please let me know if I am wrong .

Did you not see 3 - 4 hatches this last spring .... Down on the foothills of the Supers we seen a lot of paired up birds with 3- 4 hatches running with them ...

heck I would be out right now if I was a bow hunter and not working ... In the past when helping family on their archery hunts we seen a lot of activity in storms like this... Temps actually warmed over 10 degrees in a lot of areas, winds have slowed down from what they were last week and the rain has had long breaks or long periods of light mist ... Should be some happy deer out there

the initial forecast was for the wettest winter since 2005 and maybe in the last 50 years ( surpassing the 97-98 El nino ) ... the totals so far are above average around most of the state.... should be another great year for the animals and hopefully we can see the lakes fill up ... Roosevelt is already taking in more water from both Salt and Tonto then it has in a long time...

Sparky There are tons of roads FS, BLM, State Trust , even county roads all over this country that never had proper easements and never were given one when land was sold or transferred to private individuals and/or corporations ... These are roads that were cut and maintained to some degree with tax payer dollars at some level whether it be county , state or federal ... You can not fault the land purchaser for those oversights but the public should not lose access because of an oversight ... There are laws in which easements can be obtained by the various municipalities, sates and federal government if they really wanted to deal with the paperwork and $$$$ and IMO as a tax payer I believe it is their duty... A private property owner who cuts a road that goes only through his land and ends at federal or state land line does IMO have every right to close that gate and lock it ... But locking a FS roads that transgress far more than said private property, that has been being used and around way longer than the property and or the owner to locked up on technicalities is not right either. In 32 several of the places we would go and hunt would be an extra 2-3 miles from any road , but to Horse back or Hike in the extra 5 -6 miles now due to locked gates to see a big outfitter tent and 5 trucks at one of the sites used so many years ago via road access puts a sour taste in ones mouth ... I look at it as a public safety issue to... if something happens on horse back or hiking that is an emergency there is a Huge difference between 2 miles and 6 or 7 . p.s. on state trust land there has been quiet a bit of tax dollars spent in cutting roads for various industries such as mining and utilities as well ... Still, as Lark said, I do not see how what is going on in Oregon has anything to do with the locked gates in Arizona. Unless you want to use the example of The the Hammonds using the exact same argument most of us are when the Feds locked the gates on them cutting off the once used access to the top half of their ranch ... They could have cut a new Road if they wanted ... but why would ranchers cut new roads when they can take over roads that were made for them so long ago on tax payers or another's dollar ?

dang ... Would have been nice to have seen this yesterday . Who ever gets it enjoy !

Not saying that it is as bad as some states .... The hundreds of thousands I am talking about are places in 32 in 33 that I used to hunt with my grandpa who hunted there with his dad ... But if you want to talk state G&F has it at 6.1 % of of public land ( 4.5 Million acres ) is land locked ... http://www.azgfd.gov/outdoor_recreation/landowner_access.shtml Unfortunately there has been No traction with the Hunt Act that was introduced in 2013 that would be a big step in giving hunters access back especially in in states like New Mexico and Colorado ...

Shut Up ! That is a Douche Bag comment ... Any Public :Land ( Owned by ALL including the Game ) that is land locked by any party should be be closed to Hunting For ALL ... I have over 6 generations of family in this state and there have been hundreds of thousands of acres of once accessible Public land in good units Locked up .... most of it over the last 25 years and much of that by ranches that were sold to out state individuals and/or companies. The Bulk of the roads through these units were cut dozed and maintained by federal and state tax dollar for the better part of the previous century.... If access to a single individual to public land Via these roadways it should be available to all.. period !

Did not realize there were so many Helicopter Parents on CWT ... I think for the most part this site is easily a G rating with an occasional PG/PG13 thread ... As a parent I think others naive if they believe that their kids are not exposed to way worse words a hundred times more a day than they will ever see on this site.... God Forbid ( <considered cursing by many) Parents have to explain and teach children about the world surrounding them and what is and is not proper.

Lark , I doubt any outfitter out there is going to burn a bridge that may limit them access to ORO ranch ... heck I am betting that many outfitters that use the Ranch will be donating to his Defense fund under the table...

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Looks like it expired ... They were selling pretty quick it looked like