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I put this another thread here but here is my thought on this subject: I was lucky enough to draw bull tags in the same unit in '20, '21 and '23 and my son drew in '22 and all 4 years the rut activity was quite different. '20 seemed to get better as the season went on although pockets of activity on and off all season but days of nothing too, '21 was just insane from the start and never stopped. '22 was a wet year and every storm seemed to shut them down but they would start back up after a day or two of dry weather and then shut down and '23, it just got continually worse and worse with similar reports all over the unit. '22 was the latest in terms of calendar year and we kept thinking it would get better and better like '21 but it just got worse with every storm. I have tried to understand weather, temperature, moon phase, calendar etc on what kicks them in gear and every time I think I have it figured it out - they prove me wrong. I guess they are ready when they are ready. I would say all of the summer pressure has to have something to do with it.. those animals are pushed back and moved daily it seems all summer long. Back in the day, it seemed that 2nd week was always lit up (combination of less woods traffic and later in Sept). But maybe that is just nostalgia. Now it seems 100% hit or miss.

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I'm having a post midlife crises and can't decide if I want a 22arc or a 22creedmore. I have no use for either but why not have an 80gr bullet performing this like. I will be shooting out of a bolt action and most likely factory ammo so pressures and what can be done vs what is factory is less important to me. But less pressure generally means easier to shoot/more forgiving. Either would be used as a F-around gun but if the mood strikes, maybe shoot a coues or goat with it some day but more of a varmint/f-around gun. My thoughts: 22ACR - 300fps slower, maybe easier on both noise and recoil/jump and probably better on wind drift as a result but not as impactful past 300yards 22 Creed - 3000plus (maybe a bit more critical to shoot as a result) but hard to not want this I've seen some comparisons online - anyone have any of their own? Thanks

He's great at blocking roads

Updated post again - because I can’t read,type or measure. Beretta is 28” extractors Weatherby is 26” ejectors.

I'm guessing it's on those things that if I have a doe goat permit in wy or doe deer permit in the midwest and I already killed by buck - I'd hunt with this but hard for me to say I'd definitely use this for my 'primary' hunt knowing everything else I have. But as you said, from everything I'm hearing and reading, it will do the trick up to bear without hesitation. But not my intent by any means.

I keep waffling back and forth but leaning creedmore I guess, I think, I'm pretty almost sure...

Yeah, that is one of them I read.. ty

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That's cool. I remember there used to be an archery season down there too (guys shot recurves at them). I had no idea it opened to the dove season. Very cool - congrats!

That is great to know - TY!

Only thing I'd say - I think impossible to go after them - all hippa protected and nothing you can do since they were all legally following the lapse rule. Only thing they can do, is tighten the rules. Maybe the pendulum swings back a bit on the need for annual qualifications - who knows. What I do believe, is something had to happen to get back to the intent and mitigate some of the abuse.

and these are the guys that are representing Az, qualifying to be guides and uphold the rule, laws and ethics. I would love to see Az come down harder on guides. You had your chance to represent the commission and failed - life time guide license ban at minimum.

I will say, I'm guessing all of the summer pressure has to have something to do with it.. those animals are pushed back and moved daily it seems all summer long. Back in the day, it seemed that 2nd week was always lit up (combination of less woods traffic and later in Sept). But maybe that is just nostalgia. Now it seems 100% hit or miss.