catclaw

Lark, I never said you were a liar, you simply don't understand internal ballistics. I guess there is no point beating this anymore because you know what they say about teaching old dogs new tricks... I'll bet you have never playing with a Oehler Mod 43 ballistics lab, I have. It has a strain-gauge feature where you can actual measure the pressure your favorite loads are making. I have incrementally seated bullets in and out, measured pressure and velocity to see correlations etc. You are simply misinformed if you believe that seating a bullet out creates higher pressure; it doesn't. An easy test is to find a load that is near max pressure with your rifle and using a fairly heavy bullet(lets use a 200 grain bullet in your 300 mag for example) seated close to the max COL for your magazine box. Then seat the bullet about 1/4" deeper and watch your bolt lift and every other pressure indicator spike! In this example, we will take a 200 grain Nosler Partition and seat it so that you have the COL of 3.340, the SAAMI max for this cartridge. In this load, the bullet is seated .614" into the case. If we load it with 77.25 grains of H4831SC (I picked this powder at random as a likely candidate for this load) we will get (according to Quickload) 62,321 PSI. This is right at the top of SAAMI pressure for the 300 Winny. If we then seat the bullet .250" deeper and leave everything else alone. The pressure will rise to 71,849 PSI. This is a 9528 PSI INCREASE in pressure. A 15.2% increase and enough pressure to flatten the primer, cause brass to flow in the head and surely make for hard bolt lift. The primer pocket will probably be toast etc. This info jives with what was posted by Eric Stecker of Berger bullets. I don't know if you have Quickload software (souds like not) but you can easily run any scenario you can imagine and see how pressure changes. The pressure spike created by jamming into the lands wont be as great as the spike caused by seating the bullet .250 deeper and displacing an additional .305 cubic centimeters of case capacity as you do with seating the bullet 1/4". Sorry we don't see eye-to-eye on this but it sounds like maybe I have more experience, education and knowledge in the theory and practice of internal ballistics than you do. I would never tell you how to operate a power plant as I am sure you know far more about that than me. I won't post on this subject again. It is like mud wrestling with a pig, you can't win and the pig likes the mud.

You can't lie about the sex of a bear anymore because of the mandatory check-ins. You can, however, lie about where it was killed. I know when the harvest objective first went into affect, many hunters would declare that they killed their bear in unit 27 since it had so many females in the harvest objective. A bear hunting guide who wants to continue hunting could have encouraged his hunter or called it in for him and lied about the unit or sex back then. They can still lie about the unit. I am not sure what the ramifications are if you get caught lying about what unit you killed a bear in so long as you killed it in an open unit. Probably have something they can do to you. The twist where they wanted the unit to close caught me off guard. It is my belief- but I could be wrong- that the G&F dept is very much against anyone scouting from an aircraft and they have crafted laws as carefully as possible to make this all but impossible to do. There are SO many big game seasons now scattered throughout most of the year that you can't hardly find two days that you can legally scout from an aircraft. In one sense, I can't blame the guys for getting creative and trying to get the season closed. I know that this particular guide said that he was shoot a sow if he saw one just for this reason of reaching the harvest objective. I think the only real solution to it is the revamp the flying laws to make them a little less restrictive. I hate it when political agendas get in the way of hunting. Just like we will see baiting end next season. The dept has the proverbial hard-on against baiting, because of that, no matter how vocal we are in opposing it, a baiting ban is all but a done deal. They didn't like the outcry they had last year so it is quiet this year. The smart pilots never get convicted of the flying during a season, it is the average joes that get hammered. George Taulman flew all the time during the late elk hunts in AZ and beat his rap in court every time. Let me get off my soap box

Not sure which comment you are referring to, but I had a guide that I know tell me that "we" report all our bears killed from unit "X" regardless of where they were killed in order to CLOSE that unit. That way there is no big game hunt going on and they can use an airplane to scout (legally) for elk or whatever else. Sorry I was talking over your heads. As for doing anything about it, I told him it was crap and I can't prove it and I can't really do anything about it since I am not involved in the alleged activity. The unit that this happened in is not open yet so I have no idea if "they" will do it this year. He could have been lying to me but I am not sure why he would do that when it availed him nothing. I hope my comments about the harvest objective in 23S being 2 females and "Dan" said he knew of 2 females... was self explanatory. I haven't called today so I don't know if it is going to close tomorrow night or not. It would be nice if it is open for the archery deer opener to give more opportunities for those hunting stands that might have a nice bear come in. Last year I saw 30 bears while deer hunting in August. Most were sows with cubs but that is still a lot of bears.

I swear an orangutan came into my one of my cameras recently. It's a first for me!!

Lark is talking about two completely DIFFERENT things. He stated that as the COL increases, the pressure increases which is FALSE and I stand by that. What he is doing is making and assumption that by seating the bullet out longer, you are getting it into the lands which WILL increase pressure. I am not talking about getting it into the lands. If you seat the bullet out longer, you create more volume which in turn, creates a load with LESS pressure. Thus, as you INCREASE the COL (make more volume) the pressure decreases up until the point where you get into the rifling. This changes everything- it will create a pressure spike and this is likely be measurably higher. I am talking about regular jacketed bullets made with gilding metal and lead cores. IF you want to talk about homogenous alloy monolithic bullets we have to be careful to give them more room to get a running start at the rifling. Generally .040" is plenty. For a typical lead jacketed bullet, .005" is plenty. So, Lark, if you increase the COL to the point where it engages the rifling it will create an artificial pressure spike but in most factory rifles, you can't get close enough to the rifling and still fit the loaded rounds into the magazine to do this. I think you were misinterpreting what you read in the reloading manual. As for what 308nut said about the plus/minus .010, and talking about standard hunting bullets, I feel that he is wrong. I have had too many loads that were marginally safe pressure-wise flow brass or pop primers, give hard bolt lift as soon as I seated the bullets into the rifling. If we are talking about secant ogive VLD bullets. I think what he said is probably true. I think you just need a little more info given to make that statement. Also, f you have a low pressure load, he would be right, you would never notice the difference but since most handloader play with the ragged edge of pressure, this is not something to indiscriminately try. Hunt 7112, if you increase your COL by .005"-.010" and you are not into the rifling, your load will be safe, assuming it is safe the way it is.

Christian Wolff gave an elk hunting presentation tonight at the AZ predator callers meeting and did an awesome job. Just wanted to give him a pat on the back.

WOW- You better find a better source to get reloading advice than what you have gotten here, both 270 and 308 nut have both given you erroneous information. Lark did say "from everything i've ever read and have been taught," so he may well have heard and been taught this, but as you seat the bullet out further, the volume of the case increases and gives you lower pressures. Velocity may or may not be affected enough to notice. This is common sense as it is the same thing that distinguishes a magnum from a non-magnum in the same caliber- ie. a 300 H&H has a little bit more volume that the otherwise, very similar 30-06 so you can achieve somewhat higher velocities, everything else being equal. As for 308nut's assertation that "the difference between .010 off the lands and .010 into the lands isnt decernable." is also wrong. My reloading experience as well as the professional treatises I had read on it show a MARKED difference between .010 off and .010 into the lands. The difference is usually very discernible. Now, even though the increased cartridge overall length (COL) increase creates more volume and hence, lower pressures, seating into the land will usually spike your pressures back up again. If you have plenty of freebore, you can go with my first paragraph. If you don't, you will have to rely on your pressure testing to tell you. Reloading is one place where you should exercise extreme caution as you can get seriously hurt if things go too wrong. A friend of mine lost a finger when his reloading practices turned out to be unsafe. Luckily, most of the time, you will only damage your rifle and the built in safety mechanisms will often spare you injuries. You shouldn't take my word for all this either- it is worth just as much as it cost you. Get yourself a few reloaded guides and actually read through them. If I came off as arrogant, forgive me, I am only trying to spare you some frustration and bad experiences.

Dan, that's very interesting considering that the female harvest quota for 23S is 2 and it is NOT closed as of today (Sunday, Aug 15th) that means it stays open through Weds sundown regardless. Either you got some bad info or someone is not reporting or miss-reporting. I know a guy that kills bears for people and then reports them all in a certain unit in order to close it so he can fly. Hope this crap isn't going on in 22S...

Not so sure I would have posted a pic of a cub on the World Wide Web that I shot in the head with my bow. Just saying... Everyone has their standards and it's legal. It just gonna bother a lot of people and if it bothers this many on THIS site, think of how many Non- hunters might be offended- not anti-hunters, but non-hunters. I have been to several coyote hunting contests where it was made clear under no uncertain terms that if anyone brought a pup into the check-in, they were gonna get an a$$ whoopin. Just to touch-and-go with shooting predators. Nice hunting.

Way to go!!!

I don't have one, I played with one for a while and a couple of friends have had them. I originally thought it would be the cat's a$$ for WT hunting but after looking at the ballistics, I decided it was not any better than a lot of other rounds out there. It is certainly flatter that what I am shooting right now (6.5x284). They are more finicky than some calibers and there isn't a large selection of match-grade bullets. Other than that, it is a fine round and should be perfect for the shots you are talking about. We get way too worked up over certain calibers when in reality, there isn't a nickel's worth of difference between them in field work. I would try R17 if I were you.

Going through some pics and found this one from last September during the elk hunt in 27. It' kind of dark but this is a good sized cat. I had been getting elk in this every night only a mile from camp (middle of the road where water was pooled) and then this showed up!

OK, I will say it, Remington 700s suck just like most every other mass produced rifle. They are just easy to work on because they were designed for ease of production and there are myriad after market products for them. Of the 5 or 6 that I have had, none would shoot 1" or smaller groups @100 yds without a lot of work, some never would at all. I have/had two Sakos, both were better than any of the Remingtons. Casey is right about your recoil pad, if it had been a 700, you could pick a pre-fit up at Sportsmans for it. For rifles under $1000, you will not find a more accurate rifle than a Savage 112 or Vangard sub MOA. I personally wouldn't buy a .270 WSM mag because of the lack of good quality bullets for it. A .270 WSM has NEVER won a major F-class or long range BR match, the 7mm WSM and 300 WSM have won many. That is saying something. A fix for your recoil pad would be to put that stock in a chop saw with a carbide blade, tape a few wraps of tape around it and cut it off flush with the beginning of that abortion of a recoil pad. Then get you a grind-to-fit [Pachmayr decellerator, Simms et al]and install it. Casey's load may or may not work in your rifle. The 270 WSM is very temperamental. You may have to try a few things to get it to work. Learning to reload with a 270 WSM mag is like learning to drive in a corvette with a 5-speed. Steep learning curve there. Good luck.

Because I didn't drive, I didn't bring my camera. I took a couple of pics with my phone. Here they are...

Glad to hear you are home and doing well. I'm not sure how many photos were taken at the bass tournament since most of us forgot our cameras

Good luck Amanda- we missed you at the tournament last night. Hope this works out for you and you are back on your feet soon. Dennis

SOLD

Sorry, it has the bolt handle on the proper side.

You should keep it as a back up!

I can see locking the thread so nobody else can post anymore but removing it entirely?? I think that was a little much. There were a lot of folks on there that hadn't posted in like forever and we won't get to see any of their comments or opinions on anything. I didn't think it got very ugly at all. But what do I know?

Maybe 345 for the big one. Has short main beams.

OUCH

That is a great bull you killed and yes, there will be more bulls showing up but there are a surprising number that hang around most of the year. I saw one so far this year that will easily go 400" and he was not going anywhere! He is in a really tough spot to get to and probably why he is so big. You gotta get out and learn the unit or get someone who already does.

Here are a couple of pics I took of some bulls in 23N last week.

Very Nice