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Kudos on the time spent making those Father and son memories that will last his lifetime. The value of a hunt should never be measured in inches or pounds, but in the time spent enjoying each others company. You sound like you truly understand the value of his hunt! Congrats again to you and Matt!

Man I miss one day and 3 more pages of discussion! This actually pleases me because people are starting to bring up the need for letting the unit manager know about a found animal. Regardless of my personal opinion of any member on this site, I truly believe that helping someone out is to utilize all options available. I have no badge, nor do I want to police any situation. I am no different than most of you, I work hard at raising my little sportsman the proper way, teaching them the value of having a moral code. BC777 will do as he was raised to do and I do not think I will change his ways or opinions in these matters. If I have offended anyone, to include BC777, I apologize (The bobcat, roadhunter comments in particular). I feel bad for those who do wear a badge and do the best they can, only to be grouped into the gooberment that is failing us so miserably. "To serve and protect the rights of our wildlife" (who cannot speak or defend themselves) Remember folks two elk have already been found poached, one by gun, one by bow. Could that elk be another? Who knows unless they get to investigate the carcass................... I am done with this thread. Good Luck to everyone on their upcoming hunts

Stop reading the post then? No none asked to meet in the school yard, and normally I would agree with you Flatlander. In this situation though I do not agree that we are trying to find the hunter. It is absurd to assume the hunter has any ties with a Whitetail site, or to assume the hunter has not already checked with GandF if they have any information turned in about there missing bull. Like I stated before, and thank you Naturegirl for backing me on the idea of using all possible resources to help this hunter, that withholding information from an entity that may be asked for information does the hunter no justice. Either way, I am starting to see the true colors of many members on this site, and I find it sad that so many of you are against those who chose a profession that helps wildlife management and protects their environment. I have met some Great people at GandF and in the field, especially on the youth hunts. I hope you all meet someone that changes your mind about our wildlife management officers, they do not deserve the bashing they receive.

Expected response out of Mr. Roadhunter himself, bring on the name calling and references to the handicapped ( we all know your such a big man now). Your self righteous permission to be ignored is denied, like I would ever bow out of a conversation due to childish remarks. Excellence is disappearing from society, led by the hypocritical likes that would follow your lead. Anyone who has been on CWT long enough, knows better than to engage you, I must have missed my memory meds. Your under fire because your post, while it appears helpful, is just a stab at some internet retribution. Good Luck on finding it kid, I see right through your escapades. I would like to add my appreciation to all who have shared their opinions without the use of name calling and suggested issues. My arguement will stand, I do not believe you are doing the right thing by withholding information that may help authorities locate the owner of the bull. If you were really out to help, you would utilize all the resources available to you.

So if BC777 reported it and the hunter checked with GandF, the bull would not be allowed to be tagged? If people were more diligent about following this practice, everyone would know who to check with first. WHAT IF the hunter in question is not a member of this site, but does call in to GandF to see if they have any info.......answer is no because BC777 thinks he has the right to be that hunter's only savior? If it is reported, the hunter stands a better shot of retrieval with GandF than without. BC777 is trying to help, I get it. I just don't think he is doing all he can to help. IMO harboring these bad feelings about wildlife law enforcement is hindering his ability to make the right decision.

Ok, I'm uneducated on breaking the law, but during my child's hunter safety course, provided by GandF they asked what are you supposed to do if you come along a wounded or deceased animal? Answer was to call Game and Fish and report the location. They also asked it no be moved so that they may investigate the animal as it lays. So if it is not in the regulations, why would they teach our children and new hunters this rule? "You seem slightly confused about the law so don't try and educate me when I "didn't" ask for your education.........". Grammer is tough sometimes huh?So if you shot a animal and couldnt find it, you would want somebody that did find it to report to G&F so you would have to buy it from them? It is perfectly legal for the owner of this bull to go wrap his or hers tag around it as long as its still in the dates of the hunt. If we were in this ugly situation due to weather, poor shot placement, or just plain dumb luck, the first entity I would call would be Gand F to notify them of the situation, possible whereabouts, and efforts to retrieve. If they or another hunter were to find it and report it, they would at least have my information for contact, and within the hunt dates the right to tag my animal. Outside the hunt dates, different regulations take precedence. I pay to play like the rest of you, I just choose to abide by the rules. Willie, I appreciate your distaste for our current administration, I share it along with you. As for your shower comment, I do not believe the Jewish people had a choice whether or not to get in the showers. Between the burning of elk comment and your mention of the holocaust, I am left wondering why I continue this conversation. On to homework, PSY357 will not wait any longer. Good evening fellow members of CWT.

My son years ago was riding on the back of the quad with me on a whitetail hunt. We had stopped to have lunch and he played while he was supposed to be eating, so it comes time to leave and he still has half his sandwich. He tells me he will finish the sandwich at the next stop, but on the way down a lengthly dirt road I noticed him toss something aside. I looked back and noticed him trying to eat the sandwich under his helmet. It was at that point I realized he had thrown his sandwich bag on the side of the road. I drove about 3/4 of a mile down the road and stopped the atv. Matthew admitted to throwing his plastic bag aside after I asked him what had happened. I turned off the atv and told him to go get the bag, I would wait there for his return. Watching him through my binos, I watched his little body walk all the way back and he found the bag. Upon his return i asked him if he would ever litter again, his answer was no. Lessons like this have to be taught so that he knows right from wrong. Example-----If he and I were driving in the woods and saw a bobcat strolling across a log, I would not stop the car and jump out to retrieve my rifle from the car to shoot the bobcat from the road. That would teach him that road hunting is ok. In my opinion, that is not hunting--just plain killing. Just an example

Ok, I'm uneducated on breaking the law, but during my child's hunter safety course, provided by GandF they asked what are you supposed to do if you come along a wounded or deceased animal? Answer was to call Game and Fish and report the location. They also asked it no be moved so that they may investigate the animal as it lays. So if it is not in the regulations, why would they teach our children and new hunters this rule? "You seem slightly confused about the law so don't try and educate me when I "didn't" ask for your education.........". Grammer is tough sometimes huh?

Are you running any wildlife resource agendas to raise money for our rights to help conserve our resources?

300ultramag, If you believe they are misappropriating wildlife funds, go to a board meeting and speak your mind. Ask to see the financials, they are public knowledge. Rules are Rules, I do not try to teach my children which ones to follow based upon my personal beliefs. We create the gray area that people slink into and use as an excuse. Black and white and right from wrong, simple enough.

Light the elk on fire? You my friend are disturbed. Once again your childish mannerisms show themselves with remarks like suck it. You have also shown how you feel about one of our big game animals versus those positioned to protect them. I have never had respect for you BC777, and I have grown tired of trying to educate you. As well I have lost respect for each of you who think your above the law. Right is following the law, regardless if you do not believe in it.

I am as baffled at your negative game and fish comments as you are of mine? The guy could be trying to help out another hunter, by reporting it and letting everyone know that had a 4b tag it has been turned in. Then the hunter may go through the legal hoops to retrieve his trophy. All I am trying to preach is DO THE RIGHT THING AND FOLLOW THE LAW. All of you who think you can manage the wildlife better need to apply for the job. This site is about hunter's helping educate other hunter's, sharing in our trophys and experiences, so why not educate on the proper way of doing things? My son reads these posts, I do not want him learning the wrong way to do things (like taking the law into your own hands).

TOAD!

Besides the fact that you could be trying to find out info on where to look for buzzards........you do reap the benefits of the bone right? See how quickly your post can turn against ya? Childish I know, assuming makes a butt out of anyone. Food for thought Gentleman who lost their bulls........look for the birds.

If you really want to help, give game and fish a call. They are the ones who should handle the "rights" to this bull. If you find a downed big game animal, lawfully you know you should report it. This will also save you from all the responses that will look at you like your self-righteous for trying to be the one to determine the validity of a shooter/situation. BC777 sometimes I wonder about your ability to learn from the past................Didn't we run into this situation last year? Abide by the law people, if we don't who will?????

It was HOT just across the way from there on saturday! Great response DUG

Great Job Man! The femoral can be deadly but used as a last resort......Lol Just razzin, I have witnessed it before and the blood trail is easy to follow.

WOW I love the way his fifths mimic the fourths, and with mass and length....dream bull!

Awesome Job Casey! Great lookin bull

Hyper reed all the way, I believe you can control the amount of sound and type of sounds your producing much better than the mama. I have used the mama in the past with success, but found it easier to manipulate the reed after experimenting with it for awhile. I actually owe Jay Scott big time props for producing elk calling cd's that allow me to drive around at work mimicking the different types of calls. I am happy to say I now know how and why I am using the particular sound in the field. Many Blessings to all on the upcoming season!

Great Job on the entire ordeal! Video rocks, music was awesome and the width of that bull is absolutely mind blowing!

Outstanding!

Glassed him at 660yds from the road ascending the canyon behind us to the left slightly, he was bedded behind a mesquite. The road runs up to an abandoned mine, and can be reached by traversing the southwest side of the mountain range.

Your son will be fine, I am positive you will tag out with a few long days of glassing different mountain ranges. My son and I had a blast in there together, as I am sure you will as well. Many Blessings on a FUN hunt!

I can attest....ridiculous amount