trophyseeker

Nice work! It's incredible how straight and unbroken the horizon is.

When I built my workshop about 25 years ago, I put the compressor in a small room attached to the back of it so I didn't have to listen to it all the time. I used 1/2" galvanized pipe to bring it into the workshop. It's lasted through three compressors now. Edit: Hit the wrong key; It was actually 35 years ago!

No, you can get more than one point. I've been doing it for bison for several years now.

There should be a little square with two left-facing arrows in the upper right corner at the end of the FORUM HELP listing where the boxes are usually shown. Click it to bring them back in view.

I got an email flier a few days ago with the metal ones listed at $12.99

It doesn't appear to be going anywhere in the legislature.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/53leg/1r/bills/sb1182p.htm

Call this place. www.azlabsandgiants.org

The equipment is sometimes covered under a homeowner's policy rather than your auto insurance, which would pay for the glass under comprehensive/vandalism coverage.

In case anyone hasn't heard it yet, Obama designated two new national monuments in Utah yesterday. With the bill that an AZ congress critter has out there in his attempt to turn much of Northern AZ, including the NORTH KAIBAB into the Grand Canyon National Monument, Obama's legacy might be on its way to a theater near you in the next few days.

I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so I don't quite understand what you said above. Please explain. That said, I'm a bit surprised this hasn't got any more attention here. I guess if I had misscored a trophy, it would be six pages long by now. Yet this could have a dire effect on the future hunting on the North Kaibab. Last night I read another interesting thread on this topic on one of the other popular hunting forums. It mostly concerned the new monument in Utah. Outdoor Writer who often posted here put up an interesting reply on this subject and the proposed Grand Canyon monument. I'll see if he will give me an okay to copy and post it here.

From AGFD: Governor Ducey’s response to recent national monument designations by President Obama Dec. 29 news release from the Office of Governor Doug Ducey PHOENIX — In response to President Obama designating two national monuments this week in Utah and Nevada, Governor Doug Ducey issued the following statement requesting that the president respect Arizona by not designating the proposed Grand Canyon Watershed National Monument: “Western public land agreements have established a legacy of multi-use that have provided a recreational, environmental, conservation and economic balance that has served our state and nation well. “In the early 1990s Republican Senator John McCain and Democratic Congressman Morris Udall worked appropriately through congressional action to create a massive footprint of designated wilderness in our state. Arizona also already hosts the most national monuments of any state in the nation. Those monuments more than suffice for enough acreage set aside for elevated public lands management. That work is now complete. “Our state needs no further designations. Designations done by decree have already negatively impacted our state's ability to manage wildlife, held in trust for the people of Arizona and our nation. Proof of this fact is seen in the decline of desert sheep in the Sonoran Desert Monument, where access closures impeded our ability to maintain water catchments to grow these herds. Forest management also suffers in special designation areas, and my fear with the proposed designation is a catastrophic fire that would damage this area for more than a century. “I have long joined Senators McCain and Flake, the majority of our congressional delegation, more than 20 sportsmen/women organizations, the Arizona Game and Fish Commission, and thousands of Arizona citizens in steadfast opposition to this unneeded and poorly thought-out presidential decree that will permanently damage the recreational, environmental, conservation and economic balance that is so important to our state. “I request that the president respect the wishes of our state's leadership and the Congress of the United States, which is where the real authority for public lands designations resides. The intent of the Antiquities Act gives the president limited authority to set aside the smallest amount of land possible to protect the artifact; this proposed designation of 1.9 million acres of land would be a clear violation of that intent. “If designated by the president in his waning hours, Arizona will take every step necessary—legally and legislatively—to stop it. My hope is that the president respects our wishes.” ______________ Note: The Arizona Game and Fish Commission opposes establishment of this unneeded national monument in Arizona. See letter, and also Commission resolution concerning the loss of multiple-use public lands due to special land-use designations.

Good job, Neil and the same to everyone else who helped provide him a most memorable experience.

I believe only the male hybrids are sterile, but a female hybrid can still reproduce with either species.

MERRY CHRISTMAS to you, as well. Neat photo.

Good job! MERRY CHRISTMAS

MERRY CHRISTMAS

Many states, including AZ, have laws that designate MANDATORY amounts for critters. Here's some info. First, from Montana, where this case took place. 87-6-906. Restitution for illegal killing, possession, or waste of certain wildlife. (1) Except as provided in 87-6-907 and in addition to other penalties provided by law, a person convicted or forfeiting bond or bail on a charge of the illegal taking, killing, possession, or waste of a wild bird, mammal, or fish listed in this section shall reimburse the state for each bird, mammal, or fish according to the following schedule: (a mountain sheep and endangered species, $2,000; (b elk, caribou, bald eagle, black bear, wolf, and moose, $1,000; (c mountain lion, lynx, wolverine, buffalo, golden eagle, osprey, falcon, antlered deer as defined by commission regulation, bull trout longer than 18 inches, and adult buck antelope as defined by commission regulation, $500; (d deer not included in subsection (1)©, antelope not included in subsection (1)©, fisher, raptor not included in subsection (1)©, swan, bobcat, white sturgeon, river-dwelling grayling, and paddlefish, $300; (e fur-bearing animals that are not listed in subsection (1)© or (1)(d), $100; (f game bird (except swan), $25; (g game fish, $10. (2) When a court enters an order declaring bond or bail to be forfeited, the court may also order that some or all of the forfeited bond or bail be paid as restitution to the state according to the schedule in subsection (1). A hearing to determine the amount of restitution, as required under 46-9-512, is not required for an order of restitution under this section. 87-6-907. Restitution for illegal killing, possession, or waste of trophy wildlife. In addition to other penalties provided by law, a person convicted or forfeiting bond or bail on a charge of purposely or knowingly illegally killing, taking, possessing, or wasting a trophy animal listed in this section shall reimburse the state for each trophy animal according to the following schedule: (1) mountain sheep with at least one horn equal to or greater than a three-fourth curl as defined by commission regulation, $30,000; (2) elk with at least six points on one antler, as defined by commission regulation, or any grizzly bear, $8,000; (3) moose having antlers with a total spread of at least 30 inches, as defined by commission regulation, or any mountain goat, $6,000; (4) antlered deer with at least four points on one antler as defined by commission regulation, $8,000; (5) antelope with at least one horn greater than 14 inches in length as defined by commission regulation, $2,000. Under Colorado's Sampson's Law: The fines for poaching trophy-size animals, as defined by the following measurements, are: • Pronghorn antelope with a horn length of 14 inches or more $4,000 • Bull elk with six or more points on an antler beam $10,000 • Whitetail deer buck with an inside antler spread of 18 inches or more $10,000 • Mule deer buck with an inside antler spread of 22 inches or more $10,000 • Any bull moose $10,000 • Any mountain goat $10,000 • Bighorn sheep with a horn length of one-half curl or more $25,000 This from Arizona's Title 17: 17-314. Civil liability for illegally taking or wounding wildlife; recovery of damages A. The commission or any officer charged with enforcement of the laws relating to game and fish, if so directed by the commission, may bring a civil action in the name of the state against any person unlawfully taking, wounding or killing, or unlawfully in possession of, any of the following wildlife, or part thereof, and seek to recover the following minimum sums as damage: 1. For each turkey or javelina $500.00 2. For each bear, mountain lion, antelope or deer, other than trophy $1,500.00 3. For each elk or eagle, other than trophy or endangered species $2,500.00 4. For each predatory, fur-bearing or nongame animal $ 250.00 5. For each small game or aquatic wildlife animal $ 50.00 6. For each trophy or endangered species animal $8,000.00 B. No verdict or judgment recovered by the state in such action shall be for less than the sum fixed in this section. The minimum sum that the commission may seek to recover as damages from a person pursuant to this section may be doubled for a second verdict or judgment and tripled for a third verdict or judgment. The action for damages may be joined with an action for possession, and recovery had for the possession as well as the damages. Now here's an interesting tidbit at how the AZGFD would view this incident in regards to "poaching" Are all violations for unlawful take of wildlife considered “poaching?” Poaching is considered to be the theft of wildlife resources from the public trust. The term “poaching” carries certain connotations with the public. Unintentional or inadvertent take of wildlife, particularly when self-reported, is not considered poaching. It can be said that, while all poaching is illegal take, not all illegal take is poaching. More simply, poaching isn’t hunting, and hunters are not poachers.

The way I read it, once he pleaded guilty to illegally taking wildlife, which he obviously did, the fines became MANDATORY under the law as written. Many laws are written with mandatory punishments included that keep a judge from using his discretion. Set amounts of mandatory jail time for minimal amounts of grass in one's possession, have been a hot topic over the last few years. "Fleming pleaded guilty to the offenses. As restitution to the state, he must pay $30,000 for the second ram and $2,000 for the ewe, in addition to a $735 fine for hunting over the limit. He also lost his hunting, trapping and fishing privileges for 30 months. Judge Strine said in an interview with the Daily Inter Lake that although the game warden corroborated Flemings account of the sheep killings, the law gives him no leeway on restitution for those convicted of illegally harvesting animals. The law says shall, not may, so that pretty much takes the discretion away from the judge, Strine said. But he added that he could have suspended Flemings sportsman privileges for considerably longer than he did."

Whenever I read threads that go downhill like this one, I'm reminded of something I read many years ago... Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.

In the thread about woodworking, a bit of discussion on spelling/grammar cropped up. With that in mind, I thought some of you -- especially the teachers here -- might enjoy this. Although it seems hard to believe, these SUPPOSEDLY are real. Insight into the minds of 6th graders: The following were answers provided by 6th graders during history tests. Watch the spelling! Some of the best humor is in the misspelling. 1. Ancient Egypt was inhabited by mummies and they all wrote in hydraulics. They lived in the Sarah Dessert. The climate of the Sarah as such that all the inhabitants have to live elsewhere. 2. The Greeks were a highly sculptured people, and without them we wouldn't have history. The Greeks also had myths. A myth is a female moth. 3. Socrates was a famous Greek teacher who went around giving people advice. They killed him. Socrates died from an overdose of wedlock. After his death, his career suffered a dramatic decline. 4. Julius Caesar extinguished himself on the battlefields of Gaul. The Ides of March murdered him because they thought he was going to be made king. Dying, he gasped out: "Tee hee, Brutus." 5. Joan of Arc was burnt to a steak and was canonized by Bernard Shaw. 6. Queen Elizabeth was the "Virgin Queen." As a queen she was a success. When she exposed herself before her troops they all shouted "hurrah." 7. It was an age of great inventions and discoveries. Gutenberg invented removable type and the Bible. Another important invention was the circulation of blood. Sir Walter Raleigh is a historical figure because he vented cigarettes and started smoking. 8. Sir Francis Drake circumcised the world with a 100-foot clipper. 9. The greatest writer of the Renaissance was William Shakespeare. He was born in the year 1564, supposedly on his birthday. He never made much money and is famous only because of his plays. He wrote tragedies, comedies, and hysterectomies, all in Islamic pentameter. Romeo and Juliet are an example of a heroic couple. Romeo's last wish was to be laid by Juliet. 10. Writing at the same time as Shakespeare was Miguel Cervantes. He wrote Donkey Hote. The next great author was John Milton. Milton wrote Paradise Lost. Then his wife died and he wrote Paradise Regained. 11. Delegates from the original 13 states formed the Contented Congress. Thomas Jefferson, a Virgin, and Benjamin Franklin were two singers of the Declaration of Independence. Franklin discovered electricity by rubbing two cats backward and declared, "A horse divided against itself cannot stand." Franklin died in 1790 and is still dead. 12. Abraham Lincoln became America's greatest Precedent. Lincoln's mother died in infancy, and he was born in a log cabin which he built with his own hands. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves by signing the Emasculation Proclamation. On the night of April 14, 1865, Lincoln went to the theater and got shot in his seat by one of the actors in a moving picture show. They believe the assinator was John Wilkes Booth, a supposingly insane actor. This ruined Booth's career. 13. Johann Bach wrote a great many musical compositions and had a large number of children. In between he practiced on an old spinster which he kept up in his attic. Bach died from 1750 to the present. Bach was the most famous composer in the world and so was Handel. Handel was half German, half Italian, and half English. He was very large. 14. Beethoven wrote music even though he was deaf. He was so deaf he wrote loud music. He took long walks in the forest even when everyone was calling for him. Beethoven expired in 1827 and later died for this. 15. The nineteenth century was a time of a great many thoughts and inventions. People stopped reproducing by hand and started reproducing by machine. The invention of the steamboat caused a network of rivers to spring up. Cyrus McCormick invented the McCormick raper, which did the work of a hundred men. Louis Pasteur discovered a cure for rabbits. Charles Darwin was a naturalist who wrote the Organ of the Species. Madman Curie discovered the radio. Karl Marx became one of the Marx Brothers.

Well, at least you're teaching woodworking and not grammar. Sorry, couldn't resist.

Is it possible you let him use a defective saw? I thought someone who can bat either right or lefthanded was amphibian. Is that not so?

I know one thing: it's about the ugliest Christmas tree I've ever seen.

A bit late, but back at you. Nice photo, by the way.