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Only the second part of the above is correct. The only limitation for the use of AGFD money is in the political arena, which the department can't get involved with in any way.

And double check that you're a 1/4 mile from a water source?I just take a survey transit and shoot a line. Calculate the land lay and set my cam. Most quarter miles are more like 300 feet. The rule doesnt specify land lay or as the crow flys. 300 feet is a quarter of a quarter mile. Hmmm. Does this come about from a new way of calculating distance or more of your simple sarcasm??? In all the schools I attended, a mile was deemed to be 5,280 ft. Thus a 1/4 mile is 1,320 ft. or 440 yds.

Your dads a poacher and a liar, your brother is a poacher, liar and thief . . . How far from the tree did you fall? Hopefully that sheep is cleaner than that poached muley. My dad is a poacher ? You have no idea who my father is . Let me tell you a few things about my dad ! My parents have been married for 42 years . My father is one of the most amazing men on this planet ! They broke the mold with him . I have heard my dad cuss one time in his life and he said dang (is that even a cuss word ) ? My father is very active in his church and has has some of the highest calling there are . He is a school board member , fire board member and a well respected member of the community. So to say he is a poacher and a lair couldn’t be farther from the truth ! O yeah another thing my father taught me was not to shoot a 300 bull on a 3c hunt . It appears he might have been too busy and didn't have enough time to teach his son(s) the difference between right and wrong.

Copy and pasted from my email: Trail camera rule change subject of webcast May 29 PHOENIX -- The Arizona Game and Fish Department will host and webcast a public forum on a proposed rule change within Article 3, "Taking and Handling of Wildlife," at 6 p.m. May 29 at department headquarters (Quail Room), 5000 W. Carefree Highway, Phoenix. ​​​​​​​ The webcast can be viewed at www.azgfd.gov/webcast. The topic of discussion will focus exclusively on a proposed rule change by the Arizona Game and Fish Commission pertaining to the use of a trail camera within one-fourth mile of a developed water source. Questions can be asked in-person in the department’s Quail Room, or submitted by e-mail during the forum at questions@azgfd.gov. The final rule will be presented to the five-member commission at its June 8-9 meeting at the Mazatzal Hotel and Casino, Highway 87, Mile Marker 251, in Payson. To track the progress of this rule, view the regulatory agenda and all previous Five-year Review Reports, and to learn about any other agency rulemaking matters, visit https://www.azgfd.com/agency/rulemaking/.

I just forwarded what was sent to me. Use the link to ask your question.

I found this press release posted by Tony Mandile on a another forum I frequent. From U.S. Congressman Sheila Jackson Lee “Today, in partnership with Congressman Ted Lieu, I introduced legislation to keep rare and threatened species safe from senseless trophy hunting. The “Prohibiting Threatened and Endangered Creature Trophies Act of 2018” (ProTECT Act) amends the Endangered Species Act (ESA) of 1973 to prohibit the taking of any endangered species or threatened species of wildlife or fish in the United States as a trophy and the importation of any such trophy into the United States. “The ProTECT Act of 2018 ensures that all acts of senseless and perilous trophy killings are prohibited under the Endangered Species Act. I was in Africa when the iconic Cecil the Lion, was murdered for sport. It is a disgrace that this act was committed by an American – with his lack of respect for these wondrous animals and the preservation of our wildlife reverberating across the world. With growing support and awareness of the need to protect ecosystem and a greater need for compassion of animal welfare issues, we hope that this legislative effort will be signed into law by the President, rescinding his pro-trophy hunting directive from March of this year.” Support for the Prohibiting Threatened and Endangered Creature Trophies (ProTECT) Act: “Born Free USA commends Reps. Sheila Jackson Lee and Ted Lieu for introducing the ProTECT Act. The ProTECT Act affirms what Born Free has long maintained: trophy hunting is a blood-sport, not a method of wildlife conservation. "We welcome the introduction of this important legislation, which not only seeks to put into place important protections for wildlife, but also reflects the opinion of the vast majority of Americans who oppose trophy hunting.” – Prashant K. Khetan, CEO & General Counsel of Born Free USA “The ProTECT Act will ensure imperiled wildlife are protected, not killed for their horns or other parts to become mere decorations. We applaud Reps. Lieu and Jackson Lee for leading congressional efforts to end rewarding cruel and misguided trophy hunting of these majestic animals.” – Sara Amundson, President of the Humane Society Legislative Fund

I haven't read the complete bill yet but will do so tomorrow. Right not, though, what's written above as in "to prohibit the taking of any endangered species or threatened species of wildlife or fish in the United States as a trophy and the importation of any such trophy into the United States." doesn't say that. That means "trophy" deer, elk, etc. aren't included. Of course, that's out of Jackson Lee's office. She's the one that asked if the Mars Rover was going to where Neil Armstrong planted the American flag. She was probably surprised to learn that happened on the moon and not Mars.

Nope. Lots of animals are currently listed as threatened yet still are hunted and imported. Lion and elephants are just two from Africa that have been in the news as of late. They require special CITES permits to import. And right now the grizzly in the lower 48 is still listed as threatened with seasons now being set up to hunt those outside the main recovery area around YNP, barring a court injunction from an AR suit that is likely to come.

Oh geez, now I really feel like an idiot. Several years back at one of the banquets, they had a raffle for a black Lab pup. My wife really wanted it. So I bought $500 in tickets. If I knew that might negatively paint me as "the hunting elite," I would never have done such a dastardly deed without asking someone's permission on how I can spend my money. I'll know better next time. Oh, I didn't even win the dang raffle. I don't know for sure, but that pup might have gone to a homeless person -- i.e. not one of the "elite"--who could only afford one ticket.

less than 1% according to handout. So lets say .5%. that means about 500 elk tags, 1000 dear tags, 20 antelope tags, etc (let me know if my math is wrong) I make no claims to be perfect but I do get different answers. 818 Total Antelope tags multiplied by 0.005 to get the 0.5% would be 4 tags 26,214 Total elk tags multiplied by 0.005 to get the 0.5% would be 131 tags 47,147 Total deer tags multiplied by 0.005 to get the 0.5% would be 236 tags. Bottom line is those tags should still go to the average hunter in the standard lottery. Whoops! I posted before seeing your reply.

What base numbers are using to get those totals?? Or is this just the "new" math my kids learned?

As of now, there is no ban of ALL cameras on the agenda. The rule will ban only the live-feed type and the use of all types within 1/4-mile of a MAN-MADE water source, i.e. stock tanks, drinkers. etc.

Shhhhh. Don't tell him I'm the one that posted it. I'm nothing more than a "follower."

Right, I'm merely a "follower." I didn't get started hunting in this state until 1962, so my experience is limited to only the past 50+ years or so. That said, I expended most of my volunteerism long before you came along. But it's sure nice having a Pioneer license now Perhaps you already know the other pervert on this site. Maybe you two can find a room and get your jollies talking dirty to each other. Hey, but look at the bright side of it; you're no longer young!

Pay no mind to Del. He's the best at everything and knows more than God. Just ask him he will be more than happy to tell you. And the reason I'm now done with this discussion.

Anybody? This has been stated a bunch in this thread. AGFD CANNOT ADDRESS ANYHTING POLITICAL ANYWHERE, ANYHOW OR IN ANY PLACE. IT IS AGAINST STATE LAW. The only thing AGFD could do is post general comments on managing lions, etc. without reference to HSUS, proposed hunting bans, etc.

Some good points, but one needs to use the broad-brush approach carefully. For example, not one of the groups in AZ makes a "profit" off the gift tags and neither does the game dept. Second, even though tags have been removed from the general draw over the years, the money raised has probably added more tags to the general draw for certain species because of projects and transplants. That's a win-win. A while back, there was a thread on another site about bighorn auction tags in the West. Tony Mandile, who once posted here on a regular basis, put up some very pertinent info on the program here in AZ from articles he did years ago. Another member of that site posted the positive aspects of what has gone on in Montana. I don't want to repost them here without permission, and in deference to Amanda, I won't post the site URL. Does this mean I'm for the present tag grab? Not necessarily. And I won't decide one way or another until I see the proposal actually fleshed out in its entirety. If it looks anything like the abomination in Utah, though, it's a non-starter for me.

Dead on with your take on it. That's especially true of the last paragraph. While educating the general public will supposedly result in a vote in the sportsmen's favor, there is absolutely no guarantee of that happening. And political campaigns are very high-dollar affairs, given the need for a blitz of media advertising. HSUS, PETA, CBD and other AR groups already generate millions for such endeavors, and you can bet the farm they will be back here.

Below is the article Rupp cited in the other one I posted earlier. ******************************* Hug A Hunter – by Diana Rupp A pro-hunting public relations campaign is providing an example of how to get a positive message out to non-hunters. If hunting–and by extension, healthy wildlife populations–are to continue, we absolutely must enlist the support of the general, non-hunting public. In PR-speak, we need to “sell” hunting to the non-hunting world. Hunters are losing the public-relations war for a stupid reason: We’re not even showing up. Fact is, the majority of people still support hunting, or simply don’t have an opinion one way or the other. But that’s going to change, and not in our favor, if hunters don’t start engaging the general public in an approachable way to let them know that what we do matters. You’ve seen the other side’s emotion-filled public-relations campaigns, which convince well-meaning but uninformed people that wolves are endangered and the last polar bear has already floated away on the last patch of (Photoshopped) sea ice. We’ve got the facts on our side, so why aren’t we playing the game? A lot of industry organizations and hunting groups are involved in efforts to bring more hunters into the fold, but despite their best efforts, these programs reach a relatively small number of people. What we really need is a big, sweeping, cutting-edge public-relations campaign that tells the story of hunting and its benefits to wildlife conservation and the world at large. That’s why I was thrilled to discover there is a least one entity out there doing exactly that–in Colorado. Colorado’s Wildlife Council came up with an interesting and effective PR campaign to educate the public about the benefits of hunting, a campaign that should be emulated nationwide. The heart of it is a series of TV ads called “Hug a Hunter” (they have “Hug an Angler” ads, too). These ads are light, fun, and do a great job of getting a positive message out to non-hunters. One ad shows a hiker walking on a wilderness trail up a gorgeous mountain. On the peak is a hunter, glassing. The voice-over says, “Coloradans are proud of the wildlife and natural beauty in Colorado. And we have hunters and anglers to thank for helping support it. So if you love protecting Colorado and its natural beauty, go ahead and hug a hunter.” The hiker walks up to the bemused hunter and gives him a hug. Another ad discusses the economic benefits of hunting to Colorado’s rural towns and small businesses while showing a camo-clad hunter serving breakfast to patrons in a small cafe and getting a hug from one of them at the end. (Watch the ads here.) What I like about these ads is that they don’t lay it on too thick. They don’t drone on and on with statistics. They don’t take themselves too seriously. They make a simple point, do it quickly, and do it in a feel-good way that leaves the viewer smiling. According to Hugahunter.com, Colorado’s Wildlife Council (the entity charged with this outreach) is funded by a 75-cent surcharge on each hunting and fishing license sold. The council hired an advertising agency to create ads that convey a simple message: “Once you understand everything hunters and anglers do for our state, you may want to give them a hug.” A campaign like this needs to happen nationwide. It’s time hunters stopped losing the PR wars. At the very least, it’s high time we started showing up. One state has now provided an example of how it can be done. Learn more about the Colorado program at www.hugahunter.com. To learn how you can help bring this program to your state, see http://nimrodsociety.org.

A couple things to note from the Rupp article: It took special LEGISLATION to make it happen, i.e. EARMARK how the money would be spent. A mere increase in license fees or a stamp would simply put any additional funds into the department's general account where it could be used for anything. In both states, an OUTSIDE group was formed to administer the special funds.

FWIW: http://sportsafield.com/telling-our-story/ Telling Our Story By: Diana Rupp Hunters in two states are funding pro-hunting public relations campaigns in an effort to beat the antis at their own game. Back in the 1990s, hunters in Colorado were smarting from a series of anti-hunting ballot initiatives that had recently passed in their state, including one that banned spring bear hunting. A few of them realized that the majority of the voting public didn’t know squat about hunting’s contributions to wildlife management and conservation, nor about the positive impact that hunting has on the economy. They saw that public sentiment was being shaped by media campaigns run by well-funded anti-hunters and decided it was time to strike back with a PR campaign of their own. These sportsmen banded together with a mission to develop an ongoing media-based program to educate the urban, non-hunting public about the scientific, economic, and conservation benefits of hunting and fishing. In a recent article (http://sportsafield.com/hug-a-hunter/), I wrote about what those forward-thinking Coloradoans came up with—legislation establishing a Wildlife Council with a long-term funding mechanism, via a license surcharge, fully dedicated to a pro-hunting mass-media campaign. This resulted in the “Hug a Hunter” ads you might have seen if you’ve been in Colorado recently—friendly, pro-hunting ads geared toward the non-hunting public that run on regular TV and radio channels and appear on billboards. Watch them at https://hugahunter.com/watch-our-videos This proactive public education program has transformed the hunting landscape in Colorado. Since the “Hug a Hunter” campaign has been running, surveys show that seven out of ten people say they would vote against any new hunting restrictions—a huge change from the 1990s. Further, 30 percent of non-hunters say they are more supportive of sportsmen than they were before they saw the ads. And perhaps most important, since the campaign started, not a single anti-hunting ballot measure has been introduced in Colorado. Alan Taylor of Michigan, a successful businessman and avid hunter, heard about the Colorado program and thought it was such a good idea he decided to launch a similar initiative in his home state. He formed a group called The Nimrod Society to do just that, and they were successful. In 2013, Michigan governor Rick Snyder signed legislation establishing a surcharge of $1 per hunting and fishing license as a dedicated fund for a PR campaign aimed at educating Michigan’s urban, non-sporting public about the benefits of hunting, fishing, and wildlife management. The Council hired a professional ad agency and launched its own pro-sportsman PR campaign (see it at https://hereformioutdoors.org/ “That’s two states down, forty-eight more to go,” said Taylor. Think about it: If hunters and anglers could get pro-hunting PR campaigns like Colorado’s and Michigan’s started in every state, it could make a huge difference in ensuring the future of wildlife populations and our hunting heritage. Best of all, there is now a proven model in place, and The Nimrod Society is eager to help sportsmen in other states start a program of their own. Learn more at https://nimrodsociety.org/

As written, (see below) those funds can't be used to educate the general public. Thus it would take the proverbial "act of congress" to change it. Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration (Pittman-Robertson) Description The Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Act, commonly known as the Pittman-Robertson Act, was approved by Congress on September 2, 1937, and became effective July 1, 1938. The purpose of this Act was to provide funding for restoration of wild birds and mammals and to acquire, develop and manage their habitats. The Act was amended October 23, 1970, to include funding for hunter training programs and the development, operation and maintenance of public shooting ranges. Funds are derived from an 11 percent federal excise tax on sporting arms, ammunition, and archery equipment, and a 10 percent tax on handguns. These funds are collected from the manufacturers by the Department of the Treasury and are apportioned each year to the states by the Department of the Interior on the basis of formulas that consider the total area of the state and the number of licensed hunters in the state. Funds for hunter education and target ranges are derived from one-half of the tax on handguns and archery equipment.

And any "gifted" tag will need to go through a rule making process to change the present criteria of how the money is used. An added stamp/license fee increase would likely have to go through a legislative process. Although this is an older copy (2016), it lays out the current procedure for "gifted" tags. See R12-4-120 https://www.azgfd.com/PortalImages/files/rules/Article%201.pdf

Well done. Congrats on a nice bull.

Bill, Look at the options menu to the left after you use the NEW CONTENT link. Be sure it is set the way you want, i.e. content I have not read, etc.