azelkhunter69

I lost a bull several years ago and it made me sick to my stomach. Nothing worse than losing an animal. The shot was only 25 yards but my arrow hit a branch and deflected down and hit him just a hair low. A couple inches higher and he would have been dead. I have never seen anything like it, he bled like a stuck pig. I could have run down the blood trail in places. I have never seen an animal bleed that much and not die. 2+ miles later, I found where he laid down in a canyon and from there on there was no blood. Just dried up. As far as complete pass throughs and sticking in trees on the other side, I can honestly say I have never had that happen on an elk. I haven't killed a lot of them but I have killed 3 cows and a bull with a bow. The first 2 cows I shot with Muzzy 125gr. 3 blades, the 3rd I killed with a Cabelas Lazor Pro Mag 125gr. 3 blade, and the bull I killed last year with 100gr. Ulmer Edge. 2 of the cows were hit through the ribs and the broadhead went all the way through and stuck out the other side but the arrows didn't go completely through. The cows were all shot with an older bow and 60# draw. As I wrote earlier, the bull last year was hit through the ribs and the broadhead was just under the skin on the far side. And that was at only 27 yards with a 67# draw. I will say though, I don't think the "complete pass through" thing is all that important. In my experience, if you hit them where you are supposed to, elk die quick, usually within sight and definitely within hearing distance. My bull last year went the the farthest of the 4 and that was only 60 -70 yards and I heard him crash. I am guilty of falling into the "speed game" and have a pretty light arrow/broadhead combo. I think that played a big part in the penetration. In the future, I plan on using heavier arrows and I will be curious to see how this affects the penetration. In theory, it should help.

I'll probably give the Ulmer Edge a try as well. Being a newer Mechanical/broadhead it's hard to find a ton of solid information to back them up. The things I like about this broadhead -Field point accuracy to 100 yds -Apply set screw to broadhead and use for practice -Can hit at an angle without deflection because blade swivels. -2 Blades swivel around bones (ribs) to help penetration -1 1/2" cutting diameter, seems perfect -2 blades lock on contact (turns into broadhead on contact). Blades won't unlock (close) after contact -Blades are sharp on backside, to continue cutting if arrow were to fall out -Solid broadhead tip for bone What I wish this broadhead had -3 or 4 blades -Unsure about blades swivel and not swiveling back out because of meat, fur, bone causing blade not to swivel back out. This could possibly turn this broahead into a one blade after contact with bone. Overall it seems like a great broadhead besides a couple concerns. Can anyone who has used the Ulmer Edge give additional information. You can see my original comment on page 2 of this thread. I used the Ulmer Edge last year on a bull. To answer your question about the blades swiveling after hitting bone...my broadhead hit ribs going in and on the far side. The chisel tip was dinged up and one of the blades had a chip in it. When I got the broadhead out, the blades were locked open and it still swivels just like new. I have read about guys saying they look just like new and using them again but mine didn't, and I wouldn't reuse it. As much money as we spend on bows, arrows, tags, gas, etc. what's $10 - $15 for a broadhead? I will just use a new one. I tried Rage 3 blades before these and there is so much more to like about these. The blade retention system is far superior to the Rage. I couldn't put the Rage in my quiver without them opening, I can with the Edge. If I bumped the Rage on anything, the blades were constantly opening. Hope this helps a little.

I killed my bull last year using the Ulmer Edge. I shoot a 67# draw and I hit him at 27 yards through both lungs. I heard him drop at no more than 70 yards. That being said, the arrow did not go all the way through. It hit ribs on both sides but did not break them, just went in between. The broadhead was just under the skin on the far side. I personally believe that fixed blades penetrate better, but the Ulmer Edge was very accurate and was the first broadhead I have ever shot that flew just like my fieldpoints. My fixed blades were very inconsistent with my new bow so I went with what I was confident with and it worked out just fine.

The rules have become more strict as time goes on. There has even been talk of them closing the ranch to the hunting public in recent years. This is due to the few "slob" hunters that give the rest of us a bad name. They leave trash, don't stay on the roads, don't follow the rules, etc. The Game and Fish has worked hard with the ranch to keep it open because it is such a big part of the unit. That is one reason why they get volunteers every year to do a clean up of the ranch.

Good for her. I hope she realizes how lucky she is. I'm sitting on 14 pts for antelope now.

Unit 8 muzzleloader cow for the 2 boys. Should be a great time for them since the bulls will still be bugling. Not to mention , they haven't been drawn for the last 3 years. My lucky a$$ wife drew 6A muzzleloader bull for the 3rd time in 4 years.

Wow, learn English. "weinning" is actually "whining", "safty" is actually "safety", "none stop" is actually "nonstop". And there is your English lesson for the day.

Like I said, still fun to watch.

Saw these videos on the thread asking what unit is the best in AZ. These guys shot bulls right out in the wide open spaces. Maybe it will help you. If not, it's still fun to watch. Good luck. http://www.coueswhitetail.com/forums/topic/47750-best-unit-in-az/page-3

I do the exact same thing. My boys haven't been drawn in 3 years. I quit putting them in for youth hunts because the G&F cut the tags so bad. I have sent several emails and responded to surveys having to do with youth opportunity. They preach we need to get the kids involved and then cut the tags??? This year I put both boys in for regular tags during the rut and they both got drawn. Early rifle bull and early cow muzzleloader. They have waited so long I wanted them to have a great hunt. They are excited they both get to actually hunt elk this year.

Can't wait to see the results. I need to see how much time I need for scouting. Boys either hit the lottery and got Unit 9 early rifle bull or they got muzzy cow unit 8 and wife got drawn for either muzzy bull in 6A or muzzy cow in Unit 8.

If past years are any indication, it should be next Tuesday or Wednesday. Last year it was April 2nd. They were still hitting a few cards this week, they need a little time to get the bonus points and results together and uploaded.

The reason you get so many different answers is because it is completely subjective. But as far as trophy potential goes, all the so called experts(guides, outfitters, etc.) seem to somewhat agree. They all seem to agree that 9 and 10 are the top two, followed by 23, 8 and 7W. The current Pope and Young typical record was shot in 10 and the non-typical was shot in 8. I realize these aren't hard numbers from the record book but I'm sure these guys have done their homework since they are paid to.

I would tend to agree with you. If it is like last year, it will be Tuesday or Wed. next week.

No problem. It's a common misunderstanding. I hope your son has a good hunt and gets one. Good luck.

Jr. elk tag is $50

FYI, they must be going alphabetically??, our last name starts with "A" and my wife's name is before mine alphabetically. They called her, and then two minutes later they called me. She also said they have a GRAND TOTAL of ONE CREDIT CARD MACHINE!!! lol So it should be like last year then. They posted results on April 2nd last year.

All the people asking how long they will be hitting credit cards got me wondering so I did some searches on the Game and Fish website and here is what I found....last year on March 12th they sent an email telling people they had one week to correct credit card info. On March 19 they started hitting credit cards. The results were posted on April 2nd. I have no idea how long they actually hit cards for though. Wish I did, maybe I would still have hope. I can't complain too much, I had a unit 8 archery bull tag last year and this year my wife and 2 sons got elk tags, just don't know what hunts yet.