CouesFanatic

I don't think its different at all. Both fish finders and live trail cams give real time info of location and size of the animal.

Just like the A3 guy last night said, A trail cam is much more fair chase than modern fish finders that can see the fish live and see your lure in their face. Why do we allow that and have an issue with non live cameras? It's because the fish still has to take the lure. Just because you have a picture of an animal on your camera, does not mean they will be there come hunting season, let alone shooting it. They do assist in taking animals, just like long range scope, turrets, rangefinders, compound bows, dial bow site etc. What makes the non live camera not fair chase? There is fair chase because the info is delayed. Live footage and pics breaks fair chase. JMO

Mr Davis and Mr Brake emailed me back already. Here are the emails again guys, if you need an email already written I will send you mine. Jim Ammons, Chairman jammons@azgfd.gov Jim Zieler jzieler@azgfd.gov Eric Sparks esparks@azgfd.gov Kurt Davis kdavis@azgfd.gov Bill Brake bbrake@azgfd.gov

Thank you twig snapper. Emails outbound.

I agree with you 100%. This is not about live cams. They have passed that already last meeting i believe. Pulling a SD card creates a delay. They delay negates the fair chase argument. If you have ran cameras enough, you know that getting a camera on camera and killing it in season are very different things.

BACK OFF!!! I liked that guy. Basically it was a bunch of people against the rule coming up with unenforceable ideas to a problem that only exists in the game and fish's mind due to complaints from other hunters. Things I learned/relearned from tonight. 1. There is no fair chase reason for this 2. Any rule I have seen thus far is not enforceable and will only cause more issues.

Go shoot some and see what you like. Some that I hate, other people love. Its really person specific. I'm partial to Springfield Armory also. The Sig was always to narrow for my hands.

https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd581181.pdf

Did they get it out?

Why the random areas?

I'm looking at buying a Tracker Topper 1036 Jon boat. Just looking to get me and my 7 year old son out trolling some of the Rim lakes. The boat is 10 feet long and 36 inches wide with a beam of 4 foot 4 inches. I picked up a 55lb thrust Minn Kota trolling motor recently. I don't really want to go any bigger as I'm trying to avoid going with a trailer. My truck bed is 7 feet long with the tailgate down. I'm not needing to stand on the boat, I realize it won't be terribly steady, just want to get out on some tiny lakes like Woods Canyon, Knoll, Bear and Black Canyon. BTW I weigh 190 and he weighs 50. The boat has a person max of 330 lbs and a total weight max of 710 pounds. Anyone use a 10 foot boat? Any advice?

Thanks for the info, I do like using the crawdads.

Thanks, I guess I'll scratch that off. What did you catch the fish with?

I've never been there before, is it worth hitting? I'm looking to try some new places

We had a church campout right by so we hit Woods Canyon. We caught 6 in 3 hours. All trolling on black rooster tails. That lake has gotten so busy I'm not sure if I'll go back to be honest. Lots of people going the wrong way around the lake, kids on kayaks not paying attention, etc. My dad used to take me there as a kid. We used to catch a lot of fish trolling around. Now with the boat it's time to find some new lakes. Looking at Knoll next.

If you are looking for a boat this is a good deal here: https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/boa/d/lowedeep-aluminum-fishing-boat/6589847698.html Here is the one I picked up a few weeks back.

$450 OBO

You can shoot pellet guns in the City of Mesa but only target shooting at a backstop.

Covering Trail Cams right now

Youtube favorites: The Mountain Project Hushin Randy Newberg Solo Hunters Born and Raised Outdoors Epic Outdoors Kuiu On the History Channel: Alone Theres like 1000 episodes right there for you, all free. I got rid of Direct TV 6-8 years ago. I will never go back, streaming is the new cable. I have 40 megs for internet speed. Never once had a loading screen. Everything is in HD.

I watch this website: https://inciweb.nwcg.gov

Man there is some nice cabins right there. Hopefully they can save those

Price changed to $500 As Is.

Right where the fire is thicker than thick. Protect life and property, let it burn the forest. jmo

Just tear the 1 off the 18?