HuntHarder

Great write up Willhunt4coues. I completely agree with you. I misunderstood when you said used up 40moa to get gun zeroed. I thought you meant the gun was shooting 40 moa off from mounting the scope. You mean 40 Moa of the total adjustment within the scope. I get what you are saying now. My scope only has 45 moa adjustment and I installed a 20 moa base so I am able to shoot further. My scope bottoms out @ 1175 yards with the 20 moa base, so In theory, I used up 33 of my 65 possible MOA to sight in. Makes sense.

Not entirely true on SFP Vs FFP. SFP- If you are using the reticle for bullet drop (i.e. ballistic plex, TDS plex) or using the MOA on the windage for holding against the wind, you will need to be on max power for the bullet drops/ wind adjustment to be accurate. If you use a turret and just use the crosshairs, FFP and SFP have no difference. I have SFP with a Kenton turret for both windage and elevation. This makes FFP irrelevant. FFP- Great for rangefinding, using ballistic drop lines within scope and using MOA wind drift dashes to hold for wind. Hope this helps. Willhunt4coues- have you really had to use 40MOA to get a gun zeroed? I would have sent that thing back unless you are zeroing at 1200 yards. My rifle drops 25 MOA at 1k with a 200 yard zero. 70 Moa IMO is not needed unless you plan on shooting 1500 yards. I have seen your boy shoot, so I guess he might be the one who needs 70 MOA, still amazed at how good he is.

Barnhardt trail area holds plenty.. I have seen them atleast 5 miles south of that.

The new tag structure will make getting drawn for Buff a little easier.

Ha! I know the feeling of working hard for your $. I was just messing with you. I know it is a big decision, Best of luck to you on your purchase. On the Bright side, if you decide you do not like them, their resale is pretty dang good.

Hippy.

Everyone on here has said 12's......................................... What else do you need?

If you get last years model 6.5-20 x 50 with target turrets on it, Camerlandny.com has them for $599.00 until they sell out. Absolute steal!!

IMO Zeiss conquest 6.5-20 x 50 is the best buy out there right now. Only negative I have on the scope is not enough MOA adjustment. This is easily remedied with a 20 moa base. I think this scope is far superior to any vortex scope except the Razor. Vortex makes good optics, but sells most of their stuff based on the warranty IMO.

Are you sure it does not have angles in it? I am pretty sure it does, just not as advanced ballistic program as the 1600-B. I have been told this by Doug from cameraland and that guy seems to know his chit...

No one made any negative comments in this thread, guys just are excited to see a giant bull. Huntjunkie needs to do whatever he has to do. If he has commitments to a magazine, so be it. I think trophy hunter starting this thread was taken wrong by a select few. I see it simply as a guy wants to see some pictures of a giant bull and hear a good story. The suspense kills us hunters. Congrats to your daughter again on a giant bull, I will read the story either on here or in my Eastman's when it arrives.

No more restrictions. Standardization is a terrible word... As stated above, it is essentially socialism. MOST guides bust their humps and, despite what most think, they do not make huge sums of money. There is a lot of time involved in guiding, and trust me, if you looked at how many hours most guides spend, on average, per year, their per hour wage would make you sick. Some of the top guides in the state have other jobs to subsidize their income. If a guy wants to get 300 cameras on the strip, by all means, tear it up. I personally do not agree with it, but who am I to tell him not to do it. That's a minimum of $25,000 in cameras, another couple k in salt and his time and fuel to set all those cameras has to be astronomical. He has a client that is willing to pay him a large sum to find the biggest buck he can. Some of these auction tags go for huge sums and the guys that get them are living on a different scale than most. At the end of the day, most guides bust their butts for their clients and deserve to be compensated.

Great Offer Dse!

The guy in payson is the same guy who does it for the outdoorsman down here in phoenix. This is the best tripod mount system for the EL's. Outdoorsman's adapter with the stud press fit into the bino's by the guy in Payson. The strap mounts IMO limit the adjustability of the binocular and wear out over time.

bigger than 419 5/8 and smaller than 420 4 /8"

Azpredator- I know exactly what you are talking about. The glass is absolutely perfect minus the "field flatner lenses" as Swarovski calls them. When panning, it almost gives you a fish bowl effect.

12's no question

Look at the eyelashes on her.... Just a women all dunned' up ready to go out.

Nice!!! Boy can shoot. That gun looks sweet.

I agree with the free market idea, I just usually see most guys on this website thinking about others when they sell things. Not too many "shady" deals on this site, which is a good thing. I have done several transactions with others on here, sending them money before receiving product, knowing that the description is correct and there are a lot of good guys on here. Friends do not let friends spend $50+ on bricks of 22 lr tho...... To each his own...

Shoot at different distances and see if your arrow angle into the target isn't different on each distance. This would indicate fishtailing and could be a few different things. More than likely a simply adjustment of your rest either right or left.

Back to Mathews?

NICE!!!

It was Awesome out here in north Peoria. Tons of lightening and rain coming down at a 45* angle.

Swarovski, Zeiss, Minox, Vortex in that order. If you got the money, the swaros are the best. I suggest looking thru all of them at dusk @ sportsmans warehouse. They will usually take you outside and let you look off in the distance. Looking inside the store does very little. Have them put them all on tripods and see what YOU like best. Everyone's eyes are different. FWIW, I have owned 15's, and sold them both times. I always find myself using my EL's more than the 15's. I believe this is why lots of people sold their 15's when the 12 el's came out. Bigger field of view, better exit pupil and a crisper picture.