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I have better luck when I use them but lots of times I don't have time to set them up.

Went out this past weekend and heard multiple birds every morning and they would sound off until 8:00 or so. Only able to call one in but things just didn't work out. Winds would pick up late morning and the rest of the day would be a bust. Never got a single bird to respond to shock calls either at dark evening or dark early morning. First time I can ever recall that happening. Good luck to the guys going on the 2nd hunt.

Reading yesterday's meeting agenda I noticed this guy had to stand before commission because he was busted for baiting: Ralph W. Dubois 2021-0022 Knowingly Take Deer Over Edible Substances (3 Counts). Possess/Transport Unlawfully Taken Deer.

I have always had good experiences with Iron City. Definitely a no-frills experience but that is the way I like it.

Since we are all just spit balling, maybe do some rotational Dec-Jan OTC mule deer units? Much like they do for Trophy elk hunts. Rotate a unit or two in each region with mule deer. Raise prices on OTC tags to make up any loss of revenue. I still believe AZ should not be offering any OTC opportunities for NR's. Make them apply for a very limited number of permits.

I hate to say it but AZ offers too many OTC opportunities for NR's considering we have such a limited resource. We aren't like colorado with a ton of animals or wyoming that only has about 700k residents in the entire state. AZ has a booming population and a very limited resource. All these outdoor shows like Meat Eater don't help either. Where else can you go and have great weather, a ton of public land and buy a deer tag over the counter? I believe NR's are more dedicated hunters anyway. When they travel from out of state they are "locked in" and focused on killing an animal. They are more likely to hire a guide as well. Many resident hunters tend to be very nonchalant about it because they think they can do it anytime. I have no stats to support it but I would say if you took 100 nr bow hunters and 100 resident bow hunters hunting deer the NR's kill more. The bad thing about bow hunts going to a draw is that it will make hunters choose a weapon type. Face it, killing an animal with a gun is easier than with archery equipment. I'm afraid people will end up giving up archery if they are forced to choose. This will not be good for the local archery shops and archery sales in general.

Have you ever shot a 3.5 inch turkey load? It will not take long before you realize 3" and even 2 3/4' turkey loads are plenty. I literally saw stars every time I shot 3.5" loads.

No, but I wish I did. I think even I could kill one in that unit.

Just an FYI but you can take amazon returns to kohls department stores.

For sale Great quality German made boots from Meindl. These are water proof & insulated with Thinsulate. I bought these about 9 months ago from someone here on CW whose son had outgrown them. They are a size 10.5 D but are a little too small for me. I normally wear 10.5 - 11 and I thought I could make these work and my cold weather boot. I sno-sealed them and only wore one time for about 45 minutes. I think they would fit someone better who normally wears 9.5 or 10. These boots show very little wear, are in excellent condition and hardly worn at all. $120 OBO No Trades John 623-680-4458 North Peoria 83rd & Happy Valley rd area

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price has been lowered.

I may see you up there this summer. My son also drew a unit 9 tag in the random draw.

For sale 14" Satin Thompson Contender with matching scopes. Two calibers .223 & 7mm TCU (which is a necked up .223 that shoots a 7mm bullet). Comes with hammer extension, shoulder holster and soft case.. .223 barrel has a Simmons 2X6 scope and the 7mm TCU has a 4X simmons scope. Also included is 22 loaded rounds of 7mm TCU and 44 casings. Excellent condition. $1,050 OBO would consider Ruger or S&W .357 double action with 4" or 5" barrel as partial trade. John 623-680-4458 North Peoria 83rd & Happy Valley rd area

Seems like it may be a programming error. People who put a youth only hunt and a general hunt as 1st or 2nd choice it appears are charged the higher $135 fee even if they drew the youth hunt. I wonder if the people who are being charged for the $50 are only applying for youth hunts 1st & 2nd choice? If my assumption is correct, this is a very easy programming fix by just checking the hunt numbers and then charging the fee based on that. This entire draw cycle smells to high heaven. It is becoming pretty obvious that whatever they planned to do at the beginning did not work and then they had to quickly go in and re-enter information and write some new code to get this draw completed. I never like to see someone lose their job but some heads need to roll after this debacle.

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If it is a youth only hunt it is $50 because only 10-17 year old hunters can apply & hunt. If a 10-17 year old applies for a hunt that 18 year and older hunters can apply for then they pay the full price. This is the way it has always been for as long as I can remember. Unless I am reading the OP incorrectly, I do not see any error on G&F part.

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I was wondering that myself. You have 27 grand kids or you were a grandpa at 27? Country singer Loretta Lynn was a Grandma at 28, I believe. sorry to sidetrack OP. Carry on

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The gun is sold pending funds. The buyer is supposed to pick up this afternoon. I will update afterwards.

You can also call your financial institution and ask if you have any pending charges. In normal years I would say if you don't have a charge by now it is 99% sure you did not draw. This is not a normal year so who knows for sure?

Because when you make the purchases you listed, you are getting something of value in return. All the things you listed have real value after they are purchased even though they may not be used immediately. When you are applying for a hunt all you are buying is a chance to get something. The way the laws are now, if game and fish charged everyone up front then they would have to give everyone who applied a tag.

This law is bigger than G&F. If the law is changed it will have an affect on many other things not even related to G&F. Surprisingly, not all things in life revolve around hunting in Arizona. I'm still trying to get that through my thick skull. If people want the law changed then start writing your elected representatives and tell them. I promise there will people contacting them and pushing back and it has nothing to do with hunting or game and fish. The law is in place for a reason. I appreciate HuntHike61 for his due diligence and finding the law. Now we just have to save it so every time someone brings this up we can copy and paste.