SilentButDeadly

i use the little bitty goose

Before I even saw your response, that is EXACTLY what I had in mind! +1 Its more fun when you DIY anyway...

cool-ee-oo!

nice, I wish the Coue's in my backyard would hurry up and drop their horns....

http://www.fws.gov/southwest/es/mexicanwol...f/MWPF06-01.pdf http://www.fws.gov/news/newsreleases/showN...F6AC63D4DC578DB

mmmm cornfed venison

holy shmoly!! I kneel humbly before you....

I'll try and break this down, Lark is right about some of this stuff, but let me fix the ones I think he is wrong on: This winter (07-08) was the coldest since 2001, but is still slightly warmer than the 20th century average: http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/2...13_coolest.html An interesting side note - yet to unfold - is how long it takes the snow packs to melt off this spring. According to the IPCC the 1990s were the warmest on record not the coldest: http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/vol4/en...wg1figspm-1.htm The sun is brighter, but here is a link to a figure showing all the different forcings that we think effect climate, you can decide for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Climate...Attribution.png Yes, there is lots of evidence of past climate change, warmer and colder, so why is it so hard for people to accept that it is getting warmer right now even if people aren't causing it? Scientists who depend upon research grants are objective in their work, and they get the grants because other people are interested in finding out what the answers are to the questions they want to ask. People who work for vested interests (such as the oil and gas companies) that might be at risk to law changes that curtail their business are objective, but not always... It is analogous to working for a cigarette company who is fighting tobacco legislation because it *might* cause cancer. Also, consider that if you aggregate ALL climate change scientists, the amount of money they receive to do this research is in the MILLIONS of dollars, while the energy lobby is a TRILLION dollar a year industry - who has more at stake? where would you put your dollars if your business *might* be found to be the greatest threat humanity has ever encountered? Al Gore did lie, but the message is still the same, global warming is real, Volcanoes produce ~145-250 MILLION TONS of CO2 a year, humans produce ~30 BILLION TONS, http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/VolGas/volgas.html It would take all of the oil in the world to make enough solar panels to power the world, solar is NOT the answer to our energy problems, I make money (an hourly wage, not even a salary) to study this stuff - so maybe I'm biased, but I'm trying my best not to be. Tyson

I think that hunters should be worried about global warming, 1) because even if they don't believe in it, the rest of the world does, and the majority vote is going to to dictate the way that lands are managed in the future, 2) global warming is occurring and its effects will obviously be noticed. However, I think de-tangling the causes of population flux on big game species to be able to say it is global warming is hard to swallow. There are other factors that effect these animals; to say that any one is causing their populations to rise or crash might be pretty difficult to prove empirically when you have so many other forcings. These animals have survived for thousands - even hundreds of thousands of years in a state that basically resembles the species we see today. That means that they've gone through multiple ice ages and warm events. These animals survive climate change, thats why they are alive today - the issue is whether they are going to have the space they need to move to new habitats; or can they survive hard times under the pressure that humans intentionally (hunting, or not hunting) and unintentionally (ranching, agriculture, development, water use, roads) put upon them. Global Warming is easy to understand on vegetation - as it gets hotter atmospheric pressure causes the 'happy place' that a certain plant species used to grow at to move up in elevation, and vice-versa for global cooling (that is why there used to be pine trees in downtown Tucson, 12kya). As the preferred vegetation moves, the animal moves with it; that can mean a whole sh#@ storm of interactions go off - modeling that is really, really hard and has alot of *'s attached. Tyson

I tried to make a tobacco pipe a few years ago out of a little shed - landed up breaking a couple drill bits on the little bugger. Anywho, anybody ever make a pipe outta an antler? I'm thinking I'd like to do a stem in antler, and have a nice oak bowl...

I was stuck on top of a mountain with no TV all summer, it seemed like a good idea at the time. I'm more of a beer guy anyway.

BFG AT from Discount Tire - bought the full warranty (everything except knife slash through side wall is covered). I haven't lost a tire yet, but my old man has lost 2, both replaced free of charge.

I once got slapped in the face with a hunk of chicken liver and had the hook go right through my eyebrow, had to do the same thing - cut the loop and puller through.

Here is a video clip of a couple Coue's I've seen this winter and spring, The last buck with a doe I filmed this morning, still wearing his rack, first time I've seen him since before the 1st rifle season in October, glad to see he made it. Tyson

All Hail Lord Grong!!

I didn't know I was being held to such high standards, I'll try to cite more direct publications next time, I find Wikipedia more user friendly. As far as climate prediction, it is possible to forecast El Nino/La Nina and its effects, NOAA does so currently: http://www.elnino.noaa.gov/ A distinction should be made between Climate and Weather - weather prediction is difficult because of its short term variability. Climate prediction looks at long term averages, for example the blue lines of this graph might be considered weather variability, and the red lines climate. This is one of the reasons why weather headlines, such as this winter's massive snow falls, might be misleading if they claim that Global Warming has been disproven once and for all; you have a large scale weather event, but in the long term when averaged against the hotter than average summers we've had it still lands up being a warmer year on the record. The same can be said for the massive hurricanes that happened over the last two years. Theories are just that theories; but you must consider how much evidence there is to eliminate other possible causes - the only things we can't eliminate are the ones that scientists then come out and claim as being the cause - and right now the only culprit is increased CO2.

Keith, I'm in California coaching the UofA men's rugby team this weekend, but I wanted to shoot you some answers to your questions. The sky is not falling. The predicted temperature change that you and I will see in our lives is nothing like what you see on programs like “6 degrees could change the world.” There is enough concern though for a bunch of retired military Generals to write a lengthy report about the problems that climate change could bring upon the US: http://securityandclimate.cna.org/report/ Some of the issues involve mass migrations of people from countries that farm in ‘marginal’ climate conditions where a minor or major warming might result in crop failures. Some of the areas they highlight – Mexico, China, and India. The issues in China and India could be huge (based on their population sizes), and today’s border problem with Mexico is nothing compared to millions of starving Latin Americans looking for food from their greedy northern neighbors who are enjoying relatively mild weather (they highlight the benefits of longer growing seasons in the northern states and southern Canada). As far as scientists who prove global warming vs scientists who prove that it isn’t. There is a well funded ‘denial machine’ of pseudo-scientists who try and publish papers that disprove global warming. The problem is that Peer Reviewed Science (probably the best form of error checking we’ve ever invented) doesn’t publish their garbage. If someone were to definitively show how the climate system works they would probably go on to become the wealthiest person on the planet – absolute forecasting of climate could save millions of dollars in losses to agriculture, and save millions of lives. For example, this year scientists from Japan and India successfully pre dicted the onset of the Indian Ocean Dipole – however they withheld their findings because of political pressure – as it turns out thousands of farmers in Australia lost their farms because they planned on a bumper crop this year, instead they experienced one of the worst droughts in modern history. The denial machine is funded mostly by oil corporations, they are exposed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial. Denial is different than Skepticism – skeptics look at the facts and choose the truth that is supported – denialists seek to change the facts to fit their views. As for recording climate (this is something that I work with more directly as a dendrochronologist (tree-ring research - invented at the UofA!)). There are instrumental temperature records as far back as the thermometer in Europe (~250 years), but these records are only localized to Europe. As you get closer to the present day there are more and more recorded observations from around the world. The way that scientists (like me) reconstruct climate is that you can compare proxies (things like tree rings, ice cores, coral rings, sediments cores in lakes, etc) to instrumental records and see how well they match up. Certain species of trees - such as the thousand year old Bristlecone Pines of the Great Basin are sensitive to temperature because of where they grow - up high on cold mountains where it only gets warm for a couple weeks a year. If you compare the average size of a tree's rings for the last 150 years of recorded history to standardized thermometer readings for the same location the rings often are almost exactly the same on an annual basis as the thermometer readings. You can then logically stretch the proxy record back for as long as that tree has been alive. Scientists have collected proxy data from all over the world, using all kinds of different techniques - some better than others, and based on those findings they've come up with 'temperature reconstructions' which say that it has been both hotter and colder than it is today over the last couple thousand years. At the same time there is isotope data (gas bubbles from ice cores) that record the atmospheric content of carbon dioxide over the same period. The ice cores show that CO2 is higher today than at any time in the last several thousand years. An interesting side note - about volcanoes - they do produce CO2 but not nearly as much as humans do. What volcanoes can do is shoot millions of tons of ash into the atmosphere - this ash causes solar radiation to reflect back into space, causing Global Cooling - one example is the Little Ice Age: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age In 1815 a massive volcanic eruption in Tambora Indonesia caused the following year, 1816 to be dubbed 'the year without a summer,' when there was frost in New England in June and July. Anywho, I've gotta get to sleep! Tyson

Casey, the short answer is Yes. T

Tyson, do you EVER work? 40 hours a week. The sun comes up at 6am now - I can get an hour hike in 3-4 mornings during the week and a couple hours on the weekends. Get out now before the heat sets in...

I am a scientist, and I study climate. I can affirm that neither I or any of my colleagues 'hope and pray for something bad to happen to the earth,' I read and think about the results and the explanations that other scientists have based their reputations on to make claims like 'global warming is real' almost every day. Its insulting to be dismissed as an idiot out of hand by people who neither try or want to understand the things that so many have worked so hard to discover about our world. The earth's climate is shifting - the argument about whether or not it is caused by humans might be debated by the public and the media, but in the minds of professional researchers there is no argument. There are real threats that are associated with warming; they are alarming to some, and to others like Al Gore enough to stake a political career on. If anyone on this forum has any questions about climate change, global warming, and its effect on Coue's deer populations I'd be happy to discuss it either in public or PM. Tyson Swetnam

My vizsla will pick up sheds if I tell him to, but he has yet to find one himself. Like the others said - I gave him a shed to chew on as a pup; now I tell him to "Find the antler!" and he will start looking for about 3 minutes before he goes back to sniffin for birds, rabbits, deer, etc.

Last I checked this country is already in the crapper - $3,000,000,000,000.00 war; in a recession/depression; climate change denial; etc... Why not declare our independence, anyone for the Free Republic of Gadsdenia? p.s. we may need to incorporate the Gila - we need some elk in our new country.

Negative Ghost Rider, I saw a nice 90+ incher not 3 days ago still wearing his rack - and he had a doe with him.... mind you this is down in the cactus... Earliest I've found um is first week of May. T

Heresy! Infidel! What you are proposing is impossible! Okay, maybe not -- I was raised by a liberal father who at least taught me to fish, having never really hunted himself. My family are a mix of liberals and conservatives - and all of them admire that I hunt now. If they eat meat put an antelope or whitetail backstrap on their plate and they shut up with the negative comments pretty quick. Hunting is not a conservative pass-time; it is our history, its the reason we dominate the planetary landscape today. However, must admit I still don't know how to cure vegans or PETA people.... T

just bought a Top Gun Phantom off Ebay, performance TBD T