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I rarely use over the saddle panniers and I have the Davis Deluxe set. I can't think of too much advantage you'll get other than the cheap cost and the ability to ride that horse a short distance with the panniers on. Problem with these over the saddle panniers, they usually have no breechings so you'll need those or a crupper on your saddle if it's steep or your horse will be wearing the paniers around his neck. If the panniers have a belly strap make sure you don't tighten that anymore than you would the back cinch on a roping saddle or you'll cut off the animals air. If you still want the panniers I'll sell these. Last year I bought a huge set of cordura saddle bags. I hauled deer quarters in them last fall and this spring packed enough goods in them to feed two horses a dog, 2 adults, tent, lantern, etc. I'll take a picture of them soon as I can dig them out.

i do think equestrians should at least shovel the poo off the trail. You speak of untouched and untamed... i'm not sure why there is so much conflict between mountainbikers and equestrians, Can't we just all get along? lol. Laughable. Last year you were hitting me up for elk spots in your neighboring Wilderness areas along the AZ Trail you'd never set foot in, now your complaining about horse crap, lol. Truth is I see far more human crap along the trail than horse crap. In fact over the last several decades, I've rarely even encountered other horsemen.

If that's your perception then what are you doing about besides whining about equines on an AZ Trail thread?

I see horse crap all over the wilderness as well I guess to each his own.I would really like to do it on my motorcycle. Dick move right there.

You should be cited for not having a gun.

I know it's been done, to each his own. That's nine Wilderness areas and a National Park to pack your bike through on the AZ Trail.

I thought mountain bikes are allowed but no motorized bikes but I could be wrong. No bikes

A perfect example of why dogs are here.

Cuz the condors are Calfornian

I hate this satellite bill, don't feel like I'm getting much bang for my buck. I can catch football and news by antenna but there's no high speed internet out here and I love the programs on the History Channel. So what options do I have if any?

I've done about a 1/4 of the AZ Trail and a portion of the adjoining Escalante on horseback, planning on doing it all. About 8 years ago while on the trail, camped with a hiker doing the entire AZ-Escalante-Continental Divide Trail well into Canada and documenting the trip daily via satellite to his website. Thought it was clever how he had mailed all his provisions to post offices along the route in advance. Me and some friends organized a search party for him when he went missing for several days in a late spring blizzard north of Happy Jack. Turns out he had hitchhiked into Flag and waited out the storm with help from some microbrews at the Beaver St. Brewery.

Some also get shocked while exiting the boundaries and learn they'll get shocked again if they return.

Four dead, six missing. Being in the water or even on the banks, slot canyons when there are storms upstream, not a good idea. http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizona-news/268254417-story

ive been hearing about flash flooding the entire time ive lived in az and its always stressed that is doesnt need to be raining where youre at. maybe they werent from AZ. early warning how, all theyre gonna do is close it and say we cant go there anymore.Well here ya go. If people can't have common sense the forest service will step in and shut it down. http://www.12news.com/mobile/article/news/local/valley/tonto-national-forest-closes-east-verde-river-to-the-public/458686319

That's kids for ya. Consider handling too. Ever tow?

This truck came from the factory with 4" blocks over the axles and 235 85 16s I put these 285 75 16s on and that's all the lift my tired azz needs...

That entire region had been under a flash flood watch for quite some time. Even without a cursory understanding of weather, it's difficult in this day and age to be disconnected with, TV, radio or smart phone apps belching out warnings.

yeah and a hamster could chew thru it. haven't looked at them up close but they were chain linkyears ago I owned a fence rental company and I only bought good, 11ga wire. Still I've seen bored pitbulls literally chew through it.

I don't have those problems, my gas gauge hasn't worked since I swapped fuel pump.

yeah and a hamster could chew thru it.

I was living in the 4 corners when they found the last two.

That's the best time to get ya some. Got a trace, Jomax and 163rd. Big cell hit Wittman, a friend in downtown Wittman proper got pretty soaked.

Great pics

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I lived in a rattlesnake infested property and my Heeler knows they are bad news. Now whenever I'm out and about, especially at night, I make a hissing noise and he hunts for them in the path before me, and he has alerted to many I was unaware of. I've learned that when shed hunting he will sit down beside an antler and wait. Now if only I could use the predator call with out him attacking me.