lancetkenyon

I bet you are correct. I am away from my computer for the day though. I will revisit this tomorrow. Thanks, my Strelok Pro seems to be off compared to Shooter, which I trust.

OK, for Stomp442: 7LRM running 180 Berger Hybrids at .674 G1 BC & 2950fps VS. 6.5-06AI running 140 Berger VLD @ .612 G1 BC & 3180fps. @ muzzle: 6.5-.06: 0, 0, 3180fps, 3143ft/lbs 7RLM: 0, 0, 2950fps, 3478ft/lbs @ 500: 6.5-06: -30.20", -1.7mil, 2446fps, 1860ft/lbs 7LRM: -34.94", -1.9mil, 2311fps, 2136ft/lbs @ 1000: 6.5-06: -208.2", -5.8mil, 1825fps, 1036ft/lbs 7LRM: -234.9", -6.5mil, 1763fps, 1243ft/lbs @ 1500: 6.5-06: -656.5", -12.2mil, 1331fps, 551ft/lbs 7LRM: -722", -13.4mil, 1324fps, 700ft/lbs @ 2000: 6.5-06: -1603.7", -22.3mil, 1038fps, 335ft/lbs 7LRM: -1713.4", -23.8mil, 1053fps, 443ft/lbs Stomp...thanks a LOT. I thought my next build was mostly all planned out. Now you go and throw a wrench into it with your 6.5-06AI....PM me the rifle and load details please. Thanks.

Just re-checked with a 150 yard zero and MOA, I came up with 9.49MOA @ 600 with the environmentals I quoted. Different temps, pressure, elevation, etc. could easily make .5MOA difference. That is only 3" @ 600 yards. Sounds like a great gun.

That is amazing!!! I wonder if they load them down at all? I would say if they are loaded like their own data shows, and getting that barrel life out of them, a 7LRM will be on my short list of next rifle cartridges.

@ 3100 fps @ muzzle: 0, 0, 3100fps, 3603ft/lbs @ 500 yards: -29.22", -1.6mil, 2580fps, 2485ft/lbs @ 1000: -188.9", -5.2mil, 2111fps, 1664ft/lbs @ 1500: -546.8", -10.1mil, 1697fps, 1075ft/lbs @ 2000: -1211.6", -16.8mil, 1352fps, 682ft/lbs And at 2950fps: (let me know how this compares to your true ballistics in the conditions I stated) @ muzzle: 0, 0, 2950fps, 3246ft/lbs @ 500: -32.84", -1.8mil, 2440fps, 2222ft/lbs @ 1000: -211.9", -5.9mil, 1986fps, 1472ft/lbs @ 1500: -615", -11.4mil, 1589fps, 943ft/lbs @ 2000: -1367.8", -19.0mil, 1270fps, 602ft/lbs

7LRM with a 180 Berger Hybrid @ 3000fps (all other environmental factors the same as above): @muzzle: 0, 0, 3000fps, 3375ft/lbs @ 500 yards: -31.4", -1.7mil, 2492fps, 2317ft/lbs @ 1000 yards: -203.0", -5.6mil, 2032fps, 1541ft/lbs @ 1500 yards: -588.6", -10.9mil, 1584fps, 990ft/lbs @ 2000 yards -1307.3", -18.2mil, 1299fps, 630ft/lbs

What velocity do you want it run at? It will take me all of 5 minutes to look it up. As for 7LRM velocities, I was going off Gunwerks loadings published data for reference. Loading the 160 Matrix below 3000 would extend barrel life too. Speed X bearing surface = throat wear, regardless of chambering. I would love to have one of each though!!! You never said the 7LRM would outrun the 26 Nosler, someone else claimed the 26 would match it in all but energy. With the 160 Matrix, it is almost identical. The 140gr. Berger VLD would be wicked fast, but drop off somewhere around 700-1000 I am betting. I did not run those numbers though.

I think the 26 Nosler shooting an annealed 160gr Matrix VLD with a G1 BC of .685 at about 3100fps. would be an amazing hunting rig. But still hard on barrels. Not too much harder than a 7LRM pushing 180 Berger VLDs with a G1 BC of .659 @ 3100fps. I see very little difference in these two loads performance wise, with a slight advantage in all categories to the 26 Nosler over the 7LRM when loaded to it's potential. Both would be amazing for LR hunting applications. Both would suck as an often shot LR target cartridge. You can't tell me a 7LRM, with a case capacity and velocity almost identical or even slightly above a 7STW would have a long barrel life. Not significantly longer than a 26 Nosler with the 160 Matrix. These are calculations using Strelok Pro, so they are close. You would have to shoot both and record data to get actual info. @ 1500 AMSL (29.52 pressure), 59°F, 50% humidity, with a 200 yard zero: Drop in inches, drop in mils, remaining velocity, remaining energy @ muzzle: 26 Nosler= 0, 0, 3100fps, 3603ft/lbs 7LRM= 0, 0, 3100fps, 3603ft/lbs @ 500 yards: 26 Nosler= -29.14", -1.6mil, 2588fps, 2499ft/lbs 7LRM= -29.53", -1.6mil, 2562fps, 2449ft/lbs @ 1000 yards: 26 Nosler= -187.9", -5.2mil, 2125fps, 1686ft/lbs 7LRM= -191.5", -5.3mil, 2085fps,1622ft/lbs @ 1500 yards: 26 Nosler= -542.1", -10.0mil, 1715fps, 1098ft/lbs 7LRM= -557.1", -10.3mil, 1665fps, 1035ft/lbs @ 2000 yards: 26 Nosler= -1196.7", -16.6mil, 1371fps, 702ft/lbs 7LRM= -1241.7", -17.2mil, 1321fps, 651ft/lbs

Rule #1. Be sure of your target and beyond.... Guess NY does not require hunter orange.

I would have to agree with Couesmagnet. Even DIYers spend thousands on a hunt. Sure, there is the rare occasion when a total noob gets a dream buck by being at the right place at the right time. But that is the rare exception to the norm. Even though it has been spread out over years to find areas that produce bucks, I have spent thousands on scouting and hunting trips. Add to that the cost of good equipment. I regularly carry around $7-10K in my pack every day in the field during hunting season. Even scouting, as it is ALWAYS coyote and lion season. I do not consider myself rich, however. I just save for a long time to upgrade my equipment. Out of town work affords me additional monies, which are saved. Christmas, I ask for cash. Birthdays are the same. Bonuses go into the fund too. It might take me a year or more to save for a piece of equipment. But nothing comes out of my normal paycheck if I can help it. Keeps my wife happy, which keeps me able to buy what I want, when I want it. It is easier now that one of my kids is grown and on her own.

That is your "one and only dream rifle"? Just asking, not knocking. Great gun for the price point. Kind of like saying you would take a 2003 V6 Mustang over a new Lamborghini Veneno Roadster. If you are going to dream...dream big! You can cut corners to save $$$ in the real world.

I have a 3-12x42 Nikon M223 on one of my ARs. It has a good low end mag for close or running shots, but still dials in the longer shots with the 12X. On another AR, I have a 4-16 Vortex Viper HS. Great for shooting precisely out to 850 yards. Close in moving shots are a little tougher, but doable. I think on an AR, or most any .223, no more than 15-16X magnification is needed on the high end, and only for precise target shooting at the maximum distance a .223 is capable of, or for prairie dogs at longer ranges. A low end of 3 or under is very handy for a close in varmint rig in my opinion. But that is why I also carry a shotgun with me while on a stand. AR for 50+ yards, shotgun with #4 buck for the sneaky or hot inbound suckers.

Awesome bull. I love seeing the ladies out in the field.

Awesome story bud. Looks like you took a nice bull, 330-335? It has been a good year for you. No falling down a mountain this trip?

I want to start out by saying I don't think I have a slew of stud bucks under my belt. But here is my school of thought. 1. Drawing tags in the right units is a good start. 2. Knowing where to hunt in those units is another factor. 3. Time in the field, whether it be in one season, or over 20 years, and knowing where the bucks are before season opener, and where they will head once the first shot is heard. 4. Good glass to find the deer once you know where they will be in general. 5. Know their weather patterns. Hot and dry, find remote water. Wet, look for bedding areas. Hot, look at shade. North facing slopes always seem best for me. 6. Get away from roads. Even 1 or two ridges/canyons away will be much more productive after people start flooding into an area. 7. Loving wife who LETS you spend time out in the field. 8. Patience and persistence, and a good mental attitude. 9. Be in shape. 10. Luck. 11. If you shoot a little buck, you will never shoot a big buck. You need to be prepared to go home empty handed if you really are holding out for a big buck. Don't shoot a buck on the last day you would not have shot on the first if you are after a bruiser. Sure, lots of money can buy you a guide service every year, but, in MY opinion, that is a bit like cheating. On the other hand, if I had a lot of money, I would do it too. Can't blame a guy for spending money on what he loves to do.

Cool little buck. I bet he is tender and tasty too!

Love the Roman nose on that buck. Big ol' Coues, nicely done.

Shooting steel and rocks at 609, or 585, or 717, or even out to 848 is easily doable in high winds with the the right weapon, optics, ballistics program, loads, and most importantly shooter. My daughter did just this on Sunday with a .223 launching 69SMKs at 3000fps. Not trying to brag, OK maybe a little, but 600 is the beginning of long range shooting. The 7LRM should do this easily, as should almost any of the 6.5s. The LR game starts getting interesting at 900+, which these cartridges were made to do. A 600 yard shot is nothing to take lightly however. It is a fine accomplishment.

I have 3 dozen Carbon Express shafts. All new, full length uncut. Nocks and inserts included for the CX100s, nocks and glue in field points for the CXL 150s. These were bought about 7 years ago for my older daughter, and are sitting in the closet taking up space. $50/dz. or all 3 dozen for $125. 1 dozen CXL 150 (5 are fletched but uncut and new) 2 dozen CX 100 Here is the chart for draw weights and lengths.

5 on 5? 5 on 4.5? What did they come off of? New JK?

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Still got them.

Still here.

6.5 SS, 6.5 4S, 6.5x.284, 6.5 SLR. The last two will be slower, but still a great 6.5 round. Or .260 Ackley, 6.5x55 Ackley, 6.5 Creedmore, 6.5x47L, 6.5x.257 Ackley, etc.

My thoughts? Shoot that buck!