lancetkenyon

Me too. When I get home, I can photo and PM them to you.

Higher BC means better at fighting the wind so less drift, and more aerodynamic meaning less drop in both velocity and elevation at distance. A higher BC bullet will drop less and retain more velocity than a lower BC bullet of the same weight and fired at the a me muzzle velocity. As for ogive, it os the shape of the radius on the front of a bullet. Nothing to do with expansion. That is effected by both jacket thickness and tip design. Berger are all a hollow point design, and the hollow point is called a meplat. The larger the meplat and thinner the jacket, the faster the expansion. Also has do do with the lead core construction .

Sportsmans usually has camo ASU hats. That is where I got mine.

I could be totally full of BS too....

HVLD = Hunting Very Low Drag bullet. A bullet with a boat tail and secant ogive with a high ballistic coefficient designed specifically for hunting with a thinner jacket to promote rapid expansion. The VLDs are known to be picky on seating depth, which vary from gun to gun. Meaning more load development and added costs, but on game performance is spectacular once you tune your loads. Berger makes a target version as well. Thicker jacket, but same BC and flight characteristics. I believe the secant ogive is not quite as accrue as a tangent ogive shape, which is what most match bullets are designed with. Like SMKs, Nosler CC Match, Hornady Amax and Match BT. Hybrid= A new bullet design by Brian Litz. It combines the nose designs of both the secant ogive (meaning low drag) and the tangent ogive (much easier to tune and not as seating depth finiky). Still has a long boat tail, and BC is actually a slight bit better than the VLD. But these are listed as a target bullet, meaning a thicker jacket not designed for hunting. Plus the tangent ogive portion aids in accuracy a bit, but maintains a very high BC. Like most match bullets not specifically designed for hunting, the hybrids have still proven to be a very good hunting bullet. But if you look at F class and 1k match shooters, 90% of them shoot the new hybrids, since they are much more forgiving for seating depth.

Quick calculations...136 6/8".

Bruno's has the 250 Hybrids and 250 HVLDs in stock. I was in there yesterday.

Hilarious. I have one dog that catches about 50%. My other one....ANYTHING you throw he catches. High, low, fast, lob, right, left, short or over his head, laying down, sitting, running, swimming, bouncing, rolling, hail Marys.....he is a vacuum. Best mouth I have ever seen on a dog. He has caught doves out of the air and taking off from the ground, rabbits in a full on sprint, even a Western Plover (which I was not real happy about). Once caught a Eurasion dove falling off a line I shot with the pellet gun.

Holy cow that is a monster cat! Thanks for taking some competition away from us hunters.

I use a pre-paid card . The card does work if the money is there. I guess if the money is not there, you get another chance this year. For your first comment, brilliant idea. For your second comment, that is total BS. No money at time of draw? Rejected!

Correct me if I am wrong, but higher velocities stabilize better than a slower ones with the same barrel twist rate. And a 210VLD @ 3450 would put whooping on just about all but the very biggest of big game, and I am talking elephant/rhino/hippo type animals. No N. American big game would stand a chance with proper bullet placement. I only get 3100 or so from my .300RUM with the 210/215s.

Covet. Envy. Plot. Plan.

Yeah!

If they are done, I am all for it. I just need them to post results for us old school paper app guys so we can find out if we drew.

Must resist.......must resist.......

Ahhh...the joys of applying old school style with paper applications and money orders. Only downside is having to wait a little longer to find out if I got drawn, and then a refund check if unsuccessful. (kind of like my private savings account my wife always forgets about) I think waiting to see if the applications were rejected or just unsuccessful would be in order myself. I have heard of a bunch of people getting calls from AZGFD with issues on payments and license # issues. So if you did not get a CC hit, I think they just might be unsuccessful in the draw....I hope.

Once the antelope draw results are posted, this will bet snatched up quick. Perfect pronghorn round.

Donahoe Racing on my F250.

Good job Dad on raising a great kid. And thanks to the future USAF member. Thanks for your service.

Great price! Good luck with the sale. Bet it goes fast now that results are coming out.

My cousin will be shooting his 7mm RM. I get to start load development on another gun!!! Going to try 168 Berger HVLDs.

My cousin just called me. The last tag he had was with me in 1999. He got a CC hit today, so no matter what, I will be in the woods this fall helping get an elk.

Are you talking about a .308 or a 30 cal? I have a 30/416 rigby improved that deffinately needs more twist for the 230 and its a 10. Shoots the 210s great tho. Almost any .308" cartridge that would realistically want to shoot a really heavy bullet. .300WM, .300 Weatherby, .300RUM, .30-378, .300 Dakota, Lazzeroni 7.82 Warbird, .30-404 Imp. 40°, etc. Now, your gun may not like the 230 Hybrids, but even at 2800fps, a 1 in 10" twist should stabilize them fine unless you are shooting at very low temps (0°F) and low elevations (sea level), maybe polar bear hunting in the arctic? But just because it SHOULD stabilize, that does not mean your gun will shoot them well. I have had guns that SHOULD shoot a certain bullet fine, but the gun did not like them. But in all seriousness, who is going to shoot a 230 Berger Hybrid out of a .308 Win @ about 2300fps? The twist calculator calls for a 1 in 9.25" twist for that slow of a velocity. Unless you were going for a subsonic load for use with a suppressor......hmmm......Trail Boss could get you there......silent death.

I am an old school paper app and money order guy, so I have to wait until results are posted. But good luck to all of those still waiting, and congrats to those who know they have a tag coming. I know there will be quite a few who drew with less points than me, and I am cool with that. Especially if kids or women were the lucky ones. I have helped on a LOT of hunts for people with less points.

Make sure you call G&F and decline the charge....