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I have found a flier a very common occurrence with every NABLR I have tried. .264 142gr, .277 150gr, .284 175gr, .308 210gr. Even when I am shooting well.

I am going to try the 142 NABLRs one more time. I know my .260 can shoot sub .250" with 140 HVLDs. I have done a ladder test, and gotten a node for the 142 NABLRs. Then loaded up for groups, and could not get under 1". Going to try seating depth changes in .0400" increments to see if that brings them in. If not, I will save the rest for fire forming loads in other wildcat rounds.

12' up??? I always hung mine 20-30' up. Only tie I even got busted was by a flock or turkeys. Even had a lion sit off 50 yards watching the same tank I was for 30 minutes and he never saw me.

So I had a member and a friend ask me to do some load development for him on his brand new rifle. I thought I would start a thread about the steps I took for his load development and some results. A little rifle info: Rem 700 LA DBM action trued Krieger #5 fluted 1 in 9" twist @ 26" plus Vias brake Jewell HVR trigger @ about 1.5# McMillan stock Swaro X5 3.5-18x50 The components he brought me were as follows: 100 New matching lot # Nosler brass Nosler 160 gr. Accubond IMR 7828 powder Federal GM215M primers The good thing about Nosler brass is a lot of the prep work is done or not needed. Flash holes are drilled, not punched, so no need to debur flash holes. Primer pockets seeded no uniforming at all. Weight sorting was easy with the lots I had, because they weigh them and package them by weight in lot numbers. All the brass was within .002" for case length, so I didn't trim any of them. Neck thickness was spot on across 25 I checked randomly, with no variation at all. Brass weights ranged from 254.7 to 255.7 across all 100 pieces. That is as good as my Lapua brass. Checking the shoulder datum with a comparator, I got only .001" of difference across all 100 as well in the new brass. 2.1045" to 2.1055". Checked overall brass length on about 50 of them, and all were within .001" too, and at .015" shorter than max SAAMI case length of 2.500". The only thing I had to do for prep was to neck size them, as some were a bit dented around the necks. Plus, I wanted the same neck tension. Next, I weight sorted the 160 Accubonds and checked BTO lengths and recorded the info down along with everything else done so far for repeatability on future loadings. Across 200 Accubonds, I think weight ranged from 159.6 to 160.3 grains. OAL was an average of 1.403" w. a .0010" +/- and BTO was .822" +/- .0015". Next was annealing the brass. I measured max magazine length to ensure the cartridges would fit in the magazine. 3.685" if I remember correctly. I then checked seating depth to lands using an unsized neck case that I stretched out a bit by seating and pulling a bullet so it had neck tension enough to hold a bullet, but loose enough to let it moved with a little pressure. I measured jammed .0015" and just touching the lands lengths. I was also going to try the 175 NABLR, but have never gotten around to working on those yet. Easily fits in the magazine Plenty of bullet purchase Keeping accurate records is key to being able to recreate loads and tweak what is needed. Loaded up for break in, sight in, and ladder test. Bottom row is for break in and sight in. Then a ladder test of 13 rounds from 60.0 to 66.0 (above book max) in .5 gr. increments. After sight in during break in, I shot a 3 shot group to verify POI. Not bad for a brand new rifle with no load development. About 1" @ 100. Then I shot a ladder test @ 300 since I was by myself and walking down range after every shot gets tiresome. Results were a little different than what I was used to. But shows good potential from a rifle shooting 13 different charge weights at 300 yards. The cases fired in this chamber grew fro virgin brass as expected, to 2.115" to shoulder datum using the same comparator. o they grew about .010" after being fired in the new chamber. I set the die to bump the shoulder back .002" and resized the fired cases. After looking at the ladder test, I opted to try the node for charge weights 5/6/7 (62.0 to 63.0 of IMR 7828 & speeds from 2980 to 3070fps). I loaded up 3 rounds of each starting at 61.5 and going up in .5gr. increments to 63.5 and then went and shot for groups. Everything was under .75", but best was 62.5gr. @ .397" Then I started seating depth testing. Started out @ 2.783" CBTO, and went down on .0300" increments seating them deeper off the lands. After testing, I brought group sizes down to sub 1/4". To finish testing an verification, I chose a lousy day to test at long range. But I made the best of it. 15-25+mph winds made shooting at 892 yards interesting. But the results were pretty good for the conditions. I went up to 7W, and out in the flats hung a 12" x 18" steel. I had Taylor spotting for me. I dialed 16.5 MOA and held 5 MOA right. First shot was just left of target as called by Taylor. I held another .5 MOA right and hit left side of target. Held 6 MOA right and put the next 5 in a 6.5" group. Not the best, but I was very happy given the conditions. I was shooting from the bald hill I am pointing at. Came back and loaded up 100 with the recipe. Load development took my about 55 rounds total with verification. So 45 virgin brass loads, which I told him to practice with, and 55 once fired loads. All information is in the small notebook, from gun info, scope info, velocities, lengths, shot count, etc. Now all he has to do is practice with it, verify drops, and go kill something!

Did you check the classifieds? Seems like they pop up quite often on there.

.223 Wylde. Greyghost is spot on.

TTT

FL sized or just deprimed?

Got a request to try a grey amd blue camo stock for a member's 13 year old daughter. Here is the test stock. After a couple coats of primer, I put down a wild base of flat white, grey, aqua, and ocean blues. Masked of my patterns. Hit the grey blocks Then masked off the grey blocks and hit it with a couple blues Stripped off all the masking, and hit it with a coat of clear.

I always start jammed in the lands. You will never have more pressure than when touching the lands. So seating deeper will decrease the pressure. I then seat deeper by .0400". One of my rifles like a bullet jammed hard, some like a .0200 to .0600" jump, and a couple like a big jump, like up to .160". Just have to find the sweet spot with you barrel/bullet combo.

H50BMG and RL50 are too slow. No experience w. RL33. I have used RL22 and RL25 in 7RM and .300RUM with great results though. RL33 is a Very slow burn rate.

I use H1000 in my 7RM and .300RUM with fantastic results. Retumbo give slightly better speed in some applications, but is a dirtier burning powder, and H1000 has shown to be a bit more consistent and slightly more accurate.

Brand? Contour? Groove count and cut? Material? Length? Twist rate? Fluting? Don't be stingy with the info. Some strong Google Fu by members if you give us some goods.

3-6 months unless you find one at a retailer.

Wow, nice resurrection of a year old thread.

I am sure he would. I will text him to check the thread.

I do. I anneal after every firing actually.

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I think the stagger feed 3.825" would be sufficient. My .300RUM with 215 Hybrid or 210 HVLD are around 3.682" COAL with a .120" jump to lands. But a lot will depend on your reamer and throat. Longer might not be bad, the worst thing would be having an extra .100" of unused magazine space, and you lose 1 round of capacity from 4 to 3. No big deal. If 3 shots aren't enough, you shouldn't be shooting at the animal anyway.

Same here as most. 10x42 in a harness all the time, 15x56 and a GOOD mount and tripod in the pack. Glass from 100 yards to 2+ miles.

I have been in there twice. Once too many times. First time, I was looking at the higher end scopes, and kept looking over at 3 different sales people standing behind the counter shooting the bull. They never once asked if I needed help. I had $2500 in cash in my pocket. I walked out. The second time, I went in looking for a specific item. A cheek riser for an AR stock. After 10 minutes of wandering around as the only customer in the store, a guy asked me, in passing, if I needed help, but kept walking. I asked if they had cheek risers that fit an AR stock, and he kept walking. There were 2 other employees in the store behind the counter, just talking to each other. So I walked too, right out the door. I won't be back. I have never heard of paying for a firearm prior to running the background check. I have bought at numerous gun stores in the Valley. Both small private owned stores, and the big chains. Cabela's, Sportsman's, Bass Pro, Randall's, Lone Wolf, Scottsdale Gun Club, Pistol Parlor, gun shows, etc.

Thanks Zeke, for pointing out that I totally forgot to mention the part about necking down the .270 Win brass from .277 to .264 when I sized the virgin brass. Doh. For those that don't get what an "Ackley" chamber does: Take a standard case like a 6.5-06 that is just a .270 Win necked down from .277" to .264". You load your bullet of choice, and powder of choice. Put the standard cartridge in your rifle chamber and shoot it. The Ackley chamber will allow your case to stretch to fit the new chamber, and come out "fire-formed" to the new chamber dimensions. An Ackley version does a few things. Removes he majority of body taper out. With the 06 line, there is not much t begin with, but case like the .250 Savage with a strong body taper, this alone adds about 5-10% or more of case capacity. It still spaces off the shoulder to neck junction, and leaves it in place. But the shoulder to body junction moves forward, and sharpens the shoulder to 40° vs. the 22° of the standard case. All of this can net between 4-20+% more case capacity over the parent case. Meaning more space for powder, and more speed at the same pressures. Plus, much better case life due to the 40° shoulder not allowing the case to stretch and flow, and less case prep as well. Cases go in like the round on the right, and after firing, stretch to fit the chamber and come out like the case on the left. Viola'! Fire formed Ackley cases that are now ready for reloading in the new Ackley Improved cartridge.