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Jeremy Perkins sent us this photo of a monster archery muley that his buddy, Wes Payton, took in 2005 in Arizona. The buck gross scores 218! took this from monstermuleys.com, and it looks real similar to a buck I missed during archery season last sept. Anyone know where it might have been from?

spotted owl sounds good to me...and maybe one democrat.

picked up my trail camera today. was full of mostly elk pics, thought this one funny enough to post.

Psychozar, I live in camp verde and will keep my eyes and ears open. DId you report to the police? any luck with vehicle or homeowners insurance? keep an eye on ebay and local classifieds and pawn shops. hope you find it.

someone should email that to peta....

I think this discussion is good. It is good to hear hunters voice their opinions. It is obvious that all of us care very much about the issues involved. When I took the survey I felt it was not that well prepared, and not from an objective point of view. But, I believe that the questions on the survey are not the biggest problem. I think the biggest roadblock for all of us is the overall attitude and preconceived notions of the commission. Their agenda seems to be set even before they receive any input from hunters, which it too bad. I do find it ironic that they discount the survey for lack of scientific objectivity, and yet make a comment that based on their "department analysis," only 25 - 30 percent of archers reported their kills. Maybe they provided some basis for this conclusion, but as of yet I do not know what it is. I believe that the number of archery kills each year is much lower than the department estimates. Maybe I am wrong, I certainly don't claim to know everything, I am only speaking from my experience as an archer. One thing I do know for sure, after working for several government institutions, it is obvious they are all very DYSFUNCTIONAL.

Is there a way that CW members can identify themselves at these meetings? If not, maybe we all ought to chip in and get a pin or something so that we could show some solidarity and maybe have a louder voice with the commission and be more organized. It is too bad that it has come to this, arizona hunters fighting the arizona hunting commission.

I missed him at less than 20 yards.... of course he was not standing still either. he looked like a horse with antlers.

I have the national geographic program and really like the way it works. it is perfect for what i want it to do. i dont know the other program you mentioned. i can use the NG program with my garmin gps, and download my tracks and landmarks and see them right on the map. i can also mark a place on the map that i would like to find, and upload it to my gps and be able to find it when i go look for it. Also, the NG program has a new add on disc that allows you to view the maps in 3-d, it is really cool. somewhat like google earth. the best thing about it is that i will never have to buy another topo map again, i can simply print out whatever i need.

Just wondering if anyone else has tried wearing ASAT Camo? This topic may have been covered before, but I bought a 3-d leafy set last year and fell in love with it. I will now probably never wear anything else after the success I have had with it, but I wonder what others might think of it. I included a picture and a link if you have not seen ASAT yet. www.asatcamo.com/

sweet sheds, congradulations on some great memories. great pictures too, are those the peaks all the way in the background?

Griz, asat is just a different camo pattern developed by a couple hunter a few years ago. it looks very different than most camo however, much lighter with dark lines on it. Their website is pretty good with lots of pictures and shows their products. Any Situation Any Terrain Camo

I own a yamaha two stroke 240 cc that works great for taking out in the woods. I take it all over the place hunting and what not. it does great on level ground, about 25mph top speed. It is really fun to drive, but it does not have the power of a quad, but i love the centrifical clutch and that two or more people can ride pretty easy. My wife and i take the kids for rides all the time.

send me the gps coordinates of that big muley and i will help you come up with a pattern. no worries, eh?

I dont know if there are any Whittaill in 19a anymore or not, i really dont spend that much time in 19a since archery deer is no more. the antlers i found in november of 2004 were drops from earlier that year. Hopefully there are still some running around up there somewhere.

I believe that is why we call ourselves HUNTERS and not killers. Course for the last several years, me and my bow have done very little of the latter.

two seasons ago we found a good group of elk in an area just above copper canyon, on the hills above the new cell phone tower. also found some nice whitetail horns up there. there is a nice tank in a draw on the other side of the ridge above that cell tower which you can drive to. you are right abou the low numbers, but we found around 20-25 elk in that area. we also found elk out on the perkensville road out by the ranch, where you can cross the river into unit 8. this time of year might be a good place to look. to the west of the ranch.

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Josh, not fair man, I know you train those dogs to track down antlers. Heard you lost one of your dads, young pup. Any luck finding him?

Since there is not much else to talk about these days, gory hunting stories are always great to hear. Fortunately, I have nothing really exciting to tell about myself, but my cousin in flagstaff has an incredible story to tell. Back in about 1995, him and some buddies were camped near stoneman lake. While hiking along the rim around the lake, a tree branch broke, sending him backwards off of a cliff. He fell about 15 feet and hit a shelf, then fell another 75 feet straight down into the brush and rocks. He landed on his knees and blew up his hips and busted just about every bone below his shoulders. Several compound fractures in his lower legs. He was really fortunate that he didnt rip an artery and bleed out. His buddies heard him scream as he fell, and went to try and find him. They found him unconscious in the brush, but could hardly even get through to him. One of them hit the road and had to drive 20 minutes or so to use a phone and call 911. It was over an hour before the ambulance arrived on the scene and took the emt's 2 hours to use chain saws to cut the brush away to get to him. Then, they could not fit him into the chopper because when he landed, one leg went one way and the other went a different way. So, they had to drive him in an ambulance to phoenix straight into surgery. He had too many injuries and shattered bones to list, and was in surgery for 12 hours. He had tons of surgeries afterward to fix things, and still has tons of titanium in him and scars that run the entire length of his legs. Amazingly, he is pretty ok these days. After lots of time in a wheel chair and rehab, he is doing great. God really protected him that day, cause all it would have taken was a rock at the bottom. His dad, my uncle, actually went out to where he fell and measured how high the cliff was from where he fell off to where he landed.....90'.