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thought you live there...?

My longest pack out was in the Valle Vidal of New Mexico back in '92, their version of a Sept rifle tag (but once in a lifetime hunt). Pack out was about 5 miles one way & I had help (2 others), so only lost a little bit. I was both younger & dumber then too! Best thing is it was relatively flat. That said, get help if possible... these are NOT coues!

correction... AZ did not vote in 2 democratic senators as well as biden. The rest of your statement was true imo though!

We had up to about a foot total in some areas, but varies widely by only a few miles. At my house in Flag we got about 8" -9". In Williams, there was realistically about 5" or 6" total. Some areas however it was more like 4". Another 3" inches of snow expected tonight in Williams though, & every little bit helps!

I wouldn't have used the word "comical"...

In the mid 80s my brothers & I decided to try/go back to traditional for elk so we ordered 80# Damon Howatt recurves. They built/sold us several, but we all broke them, most of which limbs snapped at full draw when releasing. (& don't think that didn't make you wonder if the limb was going to smack you after releasing either!) After several calls we finally got through to the tech building them. He told us he warned the salesman not to agree to build/sell them because the limbs/materials weren't engineered for the poundage we were asking for. We were holding about 96# at full draw with our draw lengths using the largest XX75 shafts made at the time. Later we gave it up & went back to compounds, although one of my brothers did kill a decent 6x with his old Wing recurve. ... or should I have said, "harvested"? 🤣

they realized the priced it at what it used to sell for after hours Saturday! A week ago in Flag, Sunday morning, there was a lot of ammo put out Saturday night. At opening there were were only 8 people in the store, but within 15 min there were 300 as someone posted it on Facebook...

This can be a lot of fun, hunted traditional style for years. I started hunting deer with an Indian Bow in the early 70s. Brothers shot Wing & Bear Bows. I won a Javalina contest in the early 80s after hearing all the bragging crap from some of the guys who were shooting incredibly fast arrows & far at pigs, so for the last week in January (season back then was for the month of January, all archery tags were OTC), put down my Jennings & killed a huge pig w/cedar shafts (my own from blanks), turkey feathers, & Black Diamonds out of a 50# Bear Grizzley. It was awesome & a lot of fun! It put those bragging jerks in their place too being beat by a traditional archer (14-5/8" skull). As stated earlier, start slow (poundage-wise), but know it's very different & you'll likely need to change your whole outlook & approach to be "successful" (whatever that means). I also suggest reading the book, Hunting with the Bow and Arrow by Saxton Pope. Original was printed in 1923, reprint in 1947, & in 2011. (Name of the author sound familiar?) Pope & Young also taught Fred Bear as Ishi passed before Fred came into the picture as I recall. If this book doesn't get your heart pumping for traditional style hunting, don't put down your compound bow.

the chances they hold this draw (anytime soon) are not as good as drawing a sheep tag...🤣

Lunes

Regardless of the cards being hit today or later, this year is unlike any other year. Here we are two weeks after the original "CC update deadline" & tens of thousands of us are still honestly hopeful our cards may get hit, and for many they will! That's both sad & enigmatic!

it was a joke 'lines...

Decades ago in Tucson, my brothers & I were returning from an archery javalina hunt when a motorcyclist with a javalina "piglet" strapped to the back of his bike passed us in town. It was the funniest yet saddest thing I saw for years...

wow, you must be pissed! (because you wrote a book! haha, sorry bad joke, was referring to another comment in another thread 🤣) IMHO, this topic has a lot to do with P&Y/B&C) score. As far as being 52... I'm well beyond that but this hardly concerns me regarding applying for Sept bull tags! Everyone has a chance every year to draw tags, but one can be clever about their 1st & 2nd choices too. & I wish you all good luck in the draw too, especially if I draw one of those coveted tags! 😁

I'm hardly "imploding with anger" 🤣, just calling BS when I see it & backing it up. Just because someone "backs up" what they post hardly proves they're angry... passionate perhaps, but not necessarily angry. I did find it interesting however that you latet noted, "I never said I didn't like the post..." 👍 😁

I'm calling BS on this as the g&f said publicly they were, "Continuing to validate more than 150,000 applications." Sounds to me like you you're just stirring crap up! 🤔 I should have guessed... with a screen name like yours! 🤣

Here in Williams today, it's supposed to snow up to 10 inches between now and Saturday. While it'll likely be less than that, every little bit helps. I was out in unit 8 over the past weekend and while the tanks are very low, there is at least some water in many of them now. Also, the ground is quite saturated below the pine needles, so at least it's not "dry" yet. That said, it's still not a lot of moisture this year for great antler growth. So if you're of the mindset that you need a great bull, you may want to cancel your CCs tonight to save your bonus points as well as not wasting the $150 on the tag you're probably turning back in anyway (assuming you bought the insurance)! 😁

use a detergent that doesn't have UV brightener in it... Use a black light on them before& after you use a "hunting/sports" wash & you'll be amazed at the difference. Been using "hunting detergent" since the early 80s & it makes a difference! I don't use fabric softeners on hunting clothes...

Well, at least we can all rest in the peace of mind that it's likely all of our Commissioner's & every g&f employee's portals have been updated so they know their apps show correctly & current CCs are "good-to-go" so if/when we feel a need to contact them in the future they honestly believe the draw was fair, whenever it happens! 😁

Sounds like you are... Where do you come off calling those of us who aren't happy with how this is being done as "complainers"? FYI, in case you didn't realize, the G&F made over the cost of 50 full time employees at an expense of $55K/year each, on this draw alone! That's astounding! That's $2.782M on app fees alone, or over 100,000 paid MHs! That doesn't include the $10M (perhaps more) made in hunting licenses and tag fees on this draw. I for one am also calling BS on the excuse of 17,000 "additional" applicants... SO WHAT, that's only a 10% increase in last year's elk/antelope draw. An electronic system, which we have now, should be able to handle 100x that number with ZERO IMPACTS, Besides, how does this year's elk/antelope application numbers compare to last year's deer, bighorn, turkey, bison, etc. applications? More excuses... As far as your comment, "making what the folks at the G&F do...." remember this. They're all STILL EMPLOYED! Not everyone is!! Not only that, they work for us, and the G&F is a State Agency that is supposed to have accountability for how they run "their operation". If it weren't for us (through license and tag fees), none of them would be employed, but they act as though we work for them! I seriously doubt we'll ever hear what was done wrong, or how they're going to improve on the obvious mistakes made this year. If the G&F was a private company competing with other private companies they'd be out of BUSINESS by now! As far as it not making any difference to you in your planning process, I'm happy for you. Remember however that there are many out here that can not reasonably afford to apply in another state and possibly end up in tags for both (I made the same point over a week ago about the same thing in another thread). Some of us have to budget our funds appropriately, and the g&f being late by what's going on two weeks now, is to me inexcusable. It reeks of incompetence, plain and simple. Note they also said that this may go into next week as well before the draw is held, which would be double the 17 days they had since the draw closed to hit the "DRAW" button (when CCs could no longer be updated, which is another topic all together). So, we pay them very well, every year, yet they still don't appear to have the draw system figured out? There is no reason that this system shouldn't be flawless by now. I for one don't trust them. Know I used to work for a State Agency and know full well the corruption that was and can be prevalent in State Agencies that the public will never know about. BTW, it's not all bad, and I personally have and will continue to hunt with past G&F WMs, great friends! They worked very hard and were committed to their professions, as I am. What I'm referring to above is how the current draw system needs to be corrected, and perhaps have the supervisors and department heads held accountable for their work. They also should IMO have a change of attitude towards us in general knowing full well the department should be accountable for the services WE fund, period. Why not trying to BE HONEST WITH US for a change!

Who on here couldn't make "4a & 5a" work?

Just got a response to an email with a G&F Hunt/Draw "CSR". She said, after apologies, "applications are still being verified and to still have funds available into next week, possibly the week after. So all I would say is to still have funds available for 2 more weeks. Hopefully we'll be hitting cards soon than that." She indicated they too are locked out of making any changes (to CCs) as well after the 25th deadline hit. She understands the "canceled card" concerns, but if any changes will be made it'll likely be posted through "ENews-go" from the G&F online. Maybe we need to hit Sam's Club or Costco to stock up on mood altering refreshments after work while we patiently wait!

I agree, they're referring to when the portal is expected to be updated. CC hits are not "results"...

3 of my brothers are FS Instructors. I believe they keep a portion of the class fees to pay for supplies, but not their time. They do it because they are committed to teaching hunting morals & ethics. Although I'm not a certified instructor, I've helped with some of their classes including range day.

someone's brother's daughter's best friend's father's wife's college acquaintance who used to work as a clerk in a regional office who knew someone?