Nosler store http://www.nosler.com has lots of factory seconds in several calibers they're bullets with cosmetic blemishes,spoke to a nosler salesman and he said they all hunt with the 2nds cuts down on expenses.
The most accurate bullet I ever fired was a 165gr nosler solid base in my sako finnbear 06, put 5 shots in a bit over 3/8 inch,have a friend with a 300 weatherby using same type bullets, very accurate gets his elk every year in colorado go to http://www.nosler.com
I live in s. cal, after u of az in '63 went back to nys, no jobs in wildlife, got hired as a probation officer stuck with it took same job in san bernardino co where i retired.
Thanks for the info, I've never hunted big game in AZ just small and at one time as a student with a collection permit.Have hunted in CO & ID.I was informed you're the expert on san carlos wildlife. How large is the elk herd and how difficult is it to locate the elk in the hilltop area?