Big or Bust

There are velocity thresholds where bullets behave by design and then don't. Impacts too slow often will cause many bullets not to upset, or expand. Manufacturers publish this stuff. Bullets are better now than the used to be. I've seen a few eldx and eldx critters now. Behave about like an Amax. How many wound channels have you seen with a bullet impacting flesh between 1300-1600 fps? I've seen more than a few. Not impressive. All I'm saying is if you hunt critters with cartridges and bullets beyond their impact range rodeos are gonna increase, even with perfect placement, and exits are gonna be rare. Walking to impact spot with no critter or sign at 1,00 yards turns into a rodeo more times than not. Seen it too many times. Don't take my word for it. Do some reading. Get out a bit more. The Creed is a nice cartridge, absolutely the current fad, but it isn't a magic killing machine.

Absolutely not true we have killed two bears over a 1000 with 6 and 6.5Creedmoor And multiple deer close to it . It's all shot placement Brotherman, that's super but even with the highest BC bullet on the market in the 6.5 CM at ( ELD-M .697) at about as fast as you can run them (2700 is way pushing it), your impact at that distance is below what manufacturers call optimum bullet performance. In other words you are on your own....A 143 ELD-X numbers are way worse.... Asking for a rodeo my man and it ain't all about shot placement when a bullet doesn't do what it should do. It'll die but you'll be walking grids all over the mountain for a week.... "Energy" at 1K with a .697 at 2700 is under 1K but energy means nothing... Have fun -

Yup - 55's great in 12's... A 12 generally will not do the 62 ttsx, nor the 60 NP. Might get lucky though... Sometimes a 65 SGK or 64 PP will... More twist is never bad....

Now that's an interesting looking deer....

It's a cartridge. The .243" caliber is alive and well....

Getcha some 155 skinners and give her heck.

Honestly? Build or buy a rifle more balanced....

Great stuff!

IMHO, this is a very naive viewpoint on the issue. On a general level, the folks you are trying to make friends with would like nothing more than to make all our public lands into wildlife refuges with no hunting, take your guns away, and make our way of thinking go away forever. The folks you want to make friends with do NOT play nice or fair. Be very careful...

Gray foxes are good climbers and coyotes love eating fox.... Great pic....

So what do you think about sigtron ?I don't own one, and have not spent more than a few rounds behind one, so I cannot say either way. I can vouch for a few other scopes and their quality, or lack thereof. SWFA HD. Amazing for the price point. Crazy tough, repeatable, good clicks, tracks true, good glass. Very stiff parallax adjustment and mag ring, lack of zero stop, and locking turrets leave a bit to be desired. Vortex Razor Gen I. Good features, zero stop, good reticle, super tough, illuminated reticle, best warranty in the biz if needed, decent glass. No locking turrets, and weight are a bit of an inconvenience. Zero stop and zero set is super slick. You can set zero between clicks for a perfect zero. Good price point too. Steiner T5Xi. Feature richas. Low profile turrets, second rotation indicator is cool, awesome reticle (SCR), illuminated reticle w. visible daytime illumination, repeatable, tracks true (now), decent glass (now). I got one of the first run batches, and had issues with it. Sent it back twice, and now it is much better. I still find it hard to suggest though with the issues I had. Price isn't bad for the features you get. Best warranty no questions forever. Schmidt & Bender PMII. The pinnacle gold standard of optics. I have the 3-20x50 w. H2CMR reticle, and my only complaint is the reticle is hard to see at 3x being a FFP scope. Glass is freakishly clear and color is true. Edge to edge crystal clear. MTC is good to keep you tracking, but going to .1 above or below takes some getting used to. Lockable turrets are great on a hunting rig that sees a pack a lot. 30 year warranty that you will probably never use. Zero stop, 2nd rotation indicator, etc is all top notch. Not cheap...at all. Kahles K624i. Probably my favorite scope, even over my S&B. Glass is on part with the S&B, color seems to really pop. Turrets are fantastic. Tracks perfect, and repeatable. Super tough. The SKMR is my favorite reticle I have ever seen for precise work. Second rotation indicator, zero stop is rock solid, awesome illumination. Reticle is easily visible from 6x to 24x without getting too big or too small. Pricey, but cheaper than S&B or Tangent Theta. Nightforce ATACR F1. Glass is decent for the price. Reticle selection is limited but is OK. Tracks decent, and repeatable. Great durability. Good feeling turrets. I personally was not overwhelmed by the scope, but it is a good one. Leupold Mark 6. I was not impressed with this scope for the price at all. The one I brief had did not track true, clarity was so-so. I have heard of many failures similar to what I encountered. I would not own another Leupold unless.I get a great price on a Mark 8. Vortex Viper PST. I don't own one, but have a lot of time behind them. For the price, not bad. Cheapish, crazy lightweight, decent reticle. Seems to track OK and repeatable. Glass is adequate, but not "wow". Illuminated reticle, good warranty that you might need. A good starter scope for a first timer. Burris XTR II. Like the Kmart special of the Steiner T5Xi. A little less features, a little less glass quality. But half the price of the Steiner. Decent glass, great reticle (SCR). Pretty dang good sum up. I'm a huge SWFA and Nightforce fan. SWFA for the win. A zero stop can be made from a rubber hose gasket and is far, far and away the best scope for the money. All I wear on my rigs...

Again, I'm not here that often reading posts but Average Joe consistently acts like a big fat liberal hiding behind his computer....

Average Joe has always seemed to love hiding behind his keyboard...

The SWFA does have some magic.... Only scope on my rigs where I want the bullet to go reliably...

Lots of funny stuff on this thread. Hilarious in fact. Those that want to get rid of their Nightforce in favor of their Sightron just let me know....

Ctsmith is as good as they get. Deal with confidence.

Awesome stuff -

For some people!

Something in 6.5 or 7mm burning 45-60 grains of powder with a bullet with a BC of 0.5+ in a rifle with a reliable tracking scope that is no more than 8 pounds all up. This will get you to 700 yards... Take your pick...

It's happened to all of us Adam -

Great spotter! Good guy bump...

Shirts are sold pending funds.

I'm switching to all Kuiu merino stuff and have some like new Kuiu Peloton Crew-T SS and LS shirts in Vais camo for sale. All are XXL. I am 6'1 195 and have broad shoulders. Trust me, if you wear a large shirt anywhere else, these XXL will fit you perfectly. I wear large and glad I got XXL. Some have been worn once. Some haven't been worn at all. Washed and hanger dried once the ones worn once. Not a blemish on any one of them. Look perfect. I have 3 LS and 3 SS. $20/each. I am in the Tucson area and can do a FTF this weekend. I can ship on your dime. Prefer to sell all 6 as a package. First I'll take it on this thread or via PM's gets it. PM me and I will provide a phone # to text you photos if you want it. They look like a new shirt would.

Great job Lance....

Sportsman's visit! I saw them there yesterday.... Was the 8 pounds of H100 there still?