CouesWhitetail

To be a legal point it has to be at least 1 inch long and longer than it is wide at 1 inch or more in length. It looks to me to be just barely a legal point. Circumferences would be between the burr and 1st pt, btwn the 1st and 2nd, btwn the 2nd and 3rd, and btwn the 3rd and 4th. If the antler doesn't have a 4th tine then the 4th circumference measurement is taken halfway down the main between the 3rd point and the end of the main beam. For more info on scoring, check out the scoring section on this website: (or post more questions in the forum for me) How to Score Coues Deer I think a 14 or 15 inch spread on those is probably too much. They look like they would be more like 12-13, but again, it's hard to say from a photo. Josh, what do you think? Amanda

That's great!! You will have to send me the pics to post! Thanks for letting us know Treestandman. Josh is a very generous guy and a pleasure to be in the field with. He has excellent eyes for spotting wildlife and antlers or skulls or whatever else is out there. Josh, thanks for helping out Treestandman. Amanda

I was sent some pics of these elk from a forum member. He can give you the details of these pics. These elk apparently live out on the flats in the desert around Picacho Peak. Amanda

Great, glad to hear you are coming. I hope others do too. Also, I wanted to add that if some of you would like to learn more about the Kaibab issue, wish to offer some opinions about it or just listen to discussions, or see the ground for yourself, then you might want to come to a meeting up there the weekend of May 21-22. The highest ranking administrators and biologists from AGFD will be there along with some of the USFS and probably some BLM people and of course several board members from the ADA. We will be touring the habitat up there and talking about the issues that affect management of that herd. This is a very exciting meeting. It has taken a long time and lots of work by sportsmen/women and management agencies to make this happen. If there are some of you that want to attend the field trip, please let me know ASAP. The ADA is providing food and we have a central camping area where we will be meeting. I will be there along with several other board members. Amanda

AZ4Life, The ADA has about 500 paid members currently. But we are always seeking new and dedicated people to the organization. An organization can't grow without recruitment and this forum seems like a good way to reach potential members, which is why several of us are pushing for people to join and step-up. Ask anyone who has worked on a trash clean up or a water hole project and they will probably tell you that there are a lot more hunters that should have come to the project than actually do. It seems that 10% of the hunters do all work for the rest. Which is why we are trying to build the organization with passionate people. Many of our board members have served for 5-10 years (including the time when the ADA was the AMDA (AZ Mule Deer Association)). That's 10 years of working out your schedule to attend monthly meetings in addition to raising money for wildlife and working on habitat improvement projects. Getting new board members would help those people take a break for awhile. But there don't seem to be many people willing to make that kind of time committment. So I ask people whenever I can. Our board is a high quality group and with the addition of new members would continue to be. It doesn't take any great qualifications to be a good board member. You just have to be passionate about deer so that you are willing to make the time committment. Amanda

Does he have a bit of a fork on his G-4 on the left antler? Or is it just a bump? Hard to tell from the straight on angle. Great bull, congrats!! Amanda

Yes, I found them while doing spotted owl surveys on the San Carlos. Gotta love those owls that nest in marginal owl habitat, which tends to be better for WT and wintering elk. I left the sheds there, since they are on the rez all I do is take pics. But it sure was great to see them. I have never found a matched set like that before. Amanda

Well, I wasn't really shed hunting, but stumbled upon a matched set of 6x6 sheds. Not real big, but nice anyway. The G-1's and 2's were 12-15 inches long. The g-3's are short. This pair was right next to each other. I laid them out and snapped a photo to show how they would look on a bull. They had some rodent chewing on them. Looked like a Nontypical point on the G-4 on the RT side was chewed off. Probably only a short point anyway. I found these while doing owl surveys for work. Found a couple WT sheds, but although they were large, the tines were almost chewed off to nothing. didn't bother getting a photo of them. Amanda

Some very useful information in this thread. Like Crotalus I like to see the differing viewpoints. However, I would appreciate it people could refrain from using personal attacks in their posts. I just don't see the point in insulting and offending people. You can question someone's ideas and prompt good discussions without using personal insults. The whole Kaibab issue is amazing and I am glad to be a part of the ADA at time when we are funding the aerial surveys and working toward better management up there. Aerial surveys are very expensive and the AGFD can't really afford to do high-quality aerial surveys every year throughout the state. The Kaibab survey got done because the ADA stepped up and helped out with funding and passion and on the ground knowledge of the area by some of our board members. If you are interested in joining the ADA or coming to a meeting, go to AZDEER.ORG to learn more. We have our annual public meeting on Wednesday May 18 at 6:30 pm in Tempe. Go to the website for more info and directions. This would be a great meeting to come to for first-timers. You can voice an opinion and even volunteer to help or perhaps be a board member. We need more sportsmen and women to get involved. Harping on how AGFD isn't managing your wildlife correctly isn't useful unless you are actually doing something to change the situation. If enough people push for fewer tags, then it will happen. Otherwise AGFD generally manages for maximum sportsmen opportunity to hunt. Amanda

There will be a 1/2 hour show that shows some Coues deer hunts with Rolando Romo of Broken Arrow Guide Service. He is going to be a new sponsor here at CW.com and if you want to check out his service, watch the show. It will be on the Men's Channel Monday May 2 at 0430 (that's 4:30 in the morning!) and then on Sat May 7 at 5 pm and Sunday may 8 at 7:30 am. The show will feature hunts where they got a 102 and 100 inch buck on public land in AZ. They will show several high 90 inch bucks that they passed on. Amanda

Congrats RedRabbit! I had a gobbler strut and gobble right in front of my tent the other day. About 50 yards out. Was fun. I could hear him coming on a ridge and waited in the tent to see if he would come by. I wasn't hunting and didn't have any calls but did a couple yelps by voice and I guess maybe it pulled him down to me. Great to see him. Amanda

Great Haikus guys! I haven't thought up a good one yet, but I have been enjoying the ones you guys are writing. And your welcome KGAINES. Amanda

Done. Thanks for the info wetmule. ......buy a mirror and bitch at yourself....good one Allen...hehehe Amanda

Sounds like a great guy. Someone it would have been great to spend time in the field with. Sorry he's gone. But you are lucky to have known him so well Lark. Amanda

Hi Guys, One of the sponsors of CouesWhitetail.com, Cola Blanca Outfitters, had their hunts in Mexico filmed this past Jan (2005). You might remember that awesome 141 inch buck that I had on the main page for awhile a few months ago (see below). Well, Christensen Arms was down there filming hunts with that outfitter. I don't know exactly which bucks will be on the show, but it will a 1/2 hour show on Friday April 22 at 8 pm (mtn time) on the Men's Channel. It will also air the following morning at 0830. If you have Dishnet I was told it would be on channel 218. I think AZ is one hour earlier than Mtn time, but I could be wrong. As you all know, their aren't many Coues hunts on TV, so this is a great chance to watch some and to see what a hunt with Cola Blanca Outfitters is like. If anyone needs anymore info, you can contact Cola Blanca Outfitters. Call Dan Bishop in Tucson at (520) 790-9694 Amanda

Here are Shiras' pics: Nice fish!! Love that trout! Amanda

CHD, I have no idea what the Men's Channel is either, but I guess some people get it. It seems to be showing a bunch of coues hunts lately. Amanda

Derek Johnson emailed me this pic of his tom.

Chris, It would be best if you get permission from the magazine publisher before posting pics of pics from their magazine. That will keep you from having trouble with copyright laws. Other than that, I don't mind you posting the pics. It's always great to see the animals and since you are hosting them on another server, it's not taking up a lot of space here at CW.com. Thanks for your work scanning the pics in your collection and for making sure you have permission from the hunters to post their pics too. Amanda

Here are the pics:

Did anyone see the show? Amanda

Scottyboy, Email me the complete URLs for each pic and I will post them for you. Then if I get it to work ok, I will email you with directions so you can do it yourself next time. Amanda

I just added a link to the AZ Hunters who care website in the links section. If you are trying to find out when the next clean-up, check out the site. AZ Hunters Who Care is dedicated to picking up trash to help build relations with private landowners. This is a fast growing grass-roots organization. Check it out and get to an event sometime! Amanda

Hey all you fishermen... AGFD has put out some fish consumption advisories...you might want to check it out before eating your catch. There are apparently some places with high mercury levels and DDT and other noxious stuff. Fish Advisories Also, AGFD posts weekly fishing reports, so if you are looking for info, check here.. Amanda

Hi All, I have purchased a corporate table for CouesWhitetail.com at the AZ Deer Assoc. annual fundraiser to be held at Rawhide in Scottsdale on April 16. So far, I have 5-6 of the 10 tickets spoken for. This will be a great banquet, lots of great live and silent auction items. Good people, good food, and raising money for deer in AZ. Let me know if you are interested. I am asking people for $55 each to help cover some of the cost. But there will be $300 worth of raffle tickets we can split up for the people at the table. And a commerative gift, which was a nice knife last year, will be given away on this site during another guess the score contest. Amanda