CouesWhitetail

Guys, Please do not use this forum to threaten one another....that does not solve the issue. Let's focus on the facts and moving forward.

Great photos and I loved all the details in the story! don't forget to enter your buck in the Coues buck contest. http://www.coueswhitetail.com/Coues_Buck_Contest_2011/coues_buck_contest_2011-12.htm

Outstanding!! Great pics and story! Congratulations to all the kids!

Thank you Brian for clarifying that!

Hey Guys, I really would appreciate it if everyone would just focus on the facts and the questions regarding this issue. I don't think personal attacks get us anywhere....and please make sure you have correct facts before posting information or allegations against anyone. I also challenge you all to think more about the solutions to this problem. It seems to me we are spending too much time looking backwards. If AZSFW is not the group that will represent all the sportsmens groups, then we need another solution. Personally I supported AZSFW and I felt for a long time they were working for the good of sportsmen in the state. I take extreme offense at this bill and the way it was created and pushed forward. I think AZSFW has crippled itself beyond repair. But I think we need to have representation/lobbying power to push a pro-hunting agenda.

The original thread was removed because there were some people aggressively attacking the hunter for not smiling....it was really inappropriate. If you have any issues with Mossback, take it up with them directly. I really don't see how the hunter should be attacked for not smiling.

I have plenty of them available. Almost 100 pairs. Just still waiting for a reply back from Amanda. Left her a couple emails, but thats been a week or 2 ago and I don't want to step on her toes. Working on our website now, but that will take us a little while to get that up and running. Hopefully soon! I emailed you and asked you to call me or send me your number...haven't heard back. maybe you didn't get that email? Give me a call please. 928-200-0544.

WOW!!! Congratulations Andy!! was it spot and stalk or did you set up a blind on the rub line?

This is good information Amanda. Now it looks like John didn't communicate with the rest of the board, and AZSFW basically said to the ADA, we want your money, but we don't care what you think. Time for the ADA to give AZSFW the boot. ADA can rise up out of this to be the leader for wildlife, but they have to take a stand, not hide behind the concept that they too were in the dark and didn't know. I am not sure it's fair to say John didn't communicate with the board, since he did pass on information and did then go back to AZSFW and specifically ask to see the bill before it was dropped (that didn't happen), but I agree with you that AZSFW did not act in a way that honors the relationship the ADA thought we had with AZSFW. It is obvious that AZSFW did not value ADA input for this idea and I know many board members feel that way. We haven't yet had a board meeting to discuss the course of action we will take regarding AZSWF in the future.

Ok, runningbird and others, I tried to track down the answer to your question. Here is the info as I understand it. AZSFW presented the idea to the AZSFWC board. The AZSFWC board is made up of a variety of people from many of the sportsmens groups. John Koleszar is on the AZSFWC board and so after he heard the proposal from the AZSFW he later passed on some information to the ADA board. I wasn't there at the time so I don't have all the details of when and how that was presented. As stated in the post from Mark Bool, the ADA board had serious problems with the plan and said there was no way they could support it at the time. They essentially had no details and asked John to let the AZSFW know that if AZSFW had an idea that they want the ADA to support they needed to present the idea completely with the all the details. The bill was never presented and no one from the AZSFW ever came to the ADA board to present this. As I have posted before, the ADA did not have the details of the proposal and never received the bill before it was dropped.

Allen and everyone, I will post the results when I get a chance....I have to sort the guesses and determine who is closest and get the scoresheet up. hopefully within a few days. I will post here when I get them done.

Awesome!

Thanks for the post. You might want to explain what a D.A.R.T league is and how it works for those that aren't familiar with what you are talking about.

Ok, here is the scoop, as has been said, normally the ADA doesn't hold a board meeting during the month of the banquet because we just have a ton of work and details to get done in a strict timeframe leading up to the banquet. However, due to the obvious concern from the public over this issue, the ADA has scheduled a meeting for Feb 21 and is inviting anyone that wants to come ask questions or voice an opinion about this matter to come to Bass Pro at 6:30 pm. We will devote the first hour of the meeting to listening to comments from those who attend. The meeting will be at the Fine Gun room, which is upstairs (take the righthand staircase and then look to the right as you get to the top to see the gun room). I invite and encourage you all to attend and share your opinion. Tuesday, Feb 21, 6:30 pm Bass Pro Fine Gun Room

Way to go Ernesto!! I am way jealous that you got to go down there and hunt with Temo! Wish I had been there with you all. Outstanding buck and I love all those non-typical points. Congratulations! And glad Orlin and Randy enjoyed their hunt too!

Wow, that's a great looking buck!! thanks for sharing the pic.

I saw some for rent on Craiglist...seemed reasonable too. I can't remember if it was Tucson or PHX craigslist, but do a search for camper rental and you should find them.

Those wires can't be that strong can they????

Great trip report Jim!! I love all the pics and congratulations on the success!

Wow, sorry to hear about your issue with the contest. My guess is it's measurer error. They had a LOT of animals to score in a short time. I am assuming they had multiple measurers there to take care of the load of work. Perhaps they assigned one guy to elk, one to muleys, and one to whitetail.....if so, then at least all the entries withing a category were scored by the same person and all the elk for instance should rank out ok, even if the score isn't what you think it should be...know what I mean? So the ranking might not change even with a different measurer. I will call the manager and speak with him about this.

Love it!! Thanks for sharing your neighbors with us! We have had a bear in our backyard here in globe!

Thank you Stan for handling this difficult issue while I was gone. I know moderating is a bit of a judgement call and I am confident that Stan made a good decision and I appreciate his help with this. It's rather easy to just say he should have edited the few bad posts or something like that, but that doesn't always change the course of the discussion. If a thread has turned into name calling and threats, it has no place here. I will ask again that you all try and keep your debates civil and respectful. Str8shot, I didn't see the questions you posted, but I did talk to Gino last night about this deal and he never saw your questions, so you might want to PM him with any followup questions you have. FYI - I received an email from one of the people orginally involved in the incident on the ground and he said he thought the thread was way out of control and requested that it be pulled. I believe this matter has been dealt with directly between the parties involved.

I believe he is correct. The reason you can't find an animal with a skull that looks like that is because it is not a skull. It's the dorsal/back bone/pelvic bone of a bird, perhaps a turkey as suggested above. The sockets are not eye sockets but sockets for the ball joint of the hip. Birds have very lightweight bones, may of which are hollow. It's possible it's not a turkey, but a raptor of some kind also or a turkey vulture or any number of other birds (duck, heron, etc). It's a little hard to tell size in your pic.

Congratulations and thanks for sharing your hunt!

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