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The Cats ended the PAC 12 conference over Tempe Normal with a complete asz whopping! Now on to the BIG 12 where the Cats had to drag their little brother along kicking and screaming. Seriously what a fall from grace for ASU , ASU ended the PAC 12 era with losing more than they won against the mighty UA, face it, ASU's basketball program is an embarrassment and the baseball team hasn't been relevant in two decades...All that sh it talking about Noglaes North is over, ASU ended the Pacific Coast Conference being UA's bitch. To all the ASU fans - suck it bitchez you all suck azz!

3rd year of NCAA cloud, NIL incompetence, transfer portal, new coach, etc. I'd say Devils did OK. That being said, congrats to the Cats. Had a good season and should get a decent bowl game. Hope they win it.

This is why it’s BS: Prior to 2022 ranchers in 3A and 4B banded together and started complaining about all the elk on the ranch lands north of the forest boundary. The hundreds of elk in the juniper country are eating them out of house and home. There is legitimacy to this, there are lots of elk in places they hadn’t been for several years. AZGFD responds by creating a bunch of new draw hunts starting in July and running through December in 2023. Success is pretty high. Game and fish also runs a BUNCH of pop man hunts which are also pretty successful. Not even halfway through 2022, before the draw hunts even start, the ranchers decide everything north of the forest boundary has to be OTC. They threaten to lock their gates and deny access to ALL hunters if their demand isn’t met. Sportsmen contest this but AZGFD concedes and converts everything to OTC starting in March 2023. Carlisle had already locked his gates due to a dispute over a AZGFD violation years before. He had at one time given A3 exclusive access, but that agreement is no longer in place. Elkins locked his gates and refuses hunters access to remove the elk. At some point Elkins sells exclusive access to Big Chino Outfitters who has a similar arrangement on a large ranch in western AZ. They advertise hunts for $8500+. So essentially, the ranchers used their ploy to get OTC tags as a Trojan horse to create land owner tags that they can sell to the highest bidder. The have unlimited supply and the most generous seasons in the state. This was never about elk eating grass or drinking water. This was always about ranchers maximizing their return on the public’s resource while simultaneously flipping the public the bird. That is why this is BS. Please write to AZGFD and ask them to discontinue the OTC Zeniff hunt area seasons until Elkins enters into a public access agreement.

Hello, I am a new member looking for access advise for Unit 27 New Mexico. I have always hunted unit 23 NM and 36B AZ. I made one trip down to get an idea of what I would do but wanted to get any help anyone could offer. I did not try on my scouting trip to enter from the AZ side, is this possible or is private property a problem? I also checked out Geronimo trail and the Cloverdale road, just like everybody probably does. Is it possible to camp in those small public areas inbetween the private on Cloverdale road, or is it frowned upon. I was also there when no hunting was going on so it looked like a reasonable idea, but is it covered up with camps because of so little access. Thank you in advance for anyone willing to share. I understand this has been asked before but looking for the most up to date information, had a run in with some cowboys in unit 29 that was unpleasant and would like to avoid that if possible. I have Onyx maps but nothing beats experience. Thanks, James 505-320-6697 thetabet@hotmail.com

Get rid of outfitters. They seem to be the common denominator

Unfired Browning X-Bolt 6.5 prc. Bought it about a year ago never shot it. It has been sitting in a safe. I have the original box as well. The gun has a Talley Picatinny rail with a built in level. An Arken epl-4 6-24x50 with throw lever, sun shade, and scope caps. Also has a Harris 6-9 inch bipod. 100 rounds of hornady precision hunter 143 gn ELD-X Redding 6.5 PRC deluxe die set 100 pieces of new lapua brass looking to get $2000 for everything

I hunted this unit last year and got skunked. I had never seen it so bad since I started hunting it over 30 years ago. I put in for it again to challenge myself to find a good buck. I did find a 180 plus buck about 7 weeks ago and spent several weekends trying to relocate him, but had no luck. I changed locations and turned up this buck 3 weeks ago. I only got about 45 seconds of footage before he disappeared. I came back the next weekend and couldn’t turn him up. About ten days ago I found him again, and got about 30 seconds of video before he melted away into one of his hiding spots. Opening morning found me and my son looking for another buck I had found for him, but that deer didn’t want to cooperate. We hunted all day and only found several young deer. Saturday I decided to go searching for the big 3, but he never showed himself. On the hike out, I found several lion tracks and figured he had been killed or pushed. Sunday the wind was gusting 20-30 mph and most of the deer I found were bedded, and also 600 yards out with no chance to shoot with the cross winds. The wind blew hard all day and we just couldn’t find much moving. Monday morning started the same with the crazy winds, but we had a plan to relocate another tall 3x3 I had seen several times for my son. On our way to that spot, I said let’s go take a look for the other big 3 and just see if he is up and moving. We were glassing from a spot that didn’t really give me the angle needed to see into his normal feeding area, but I wanted to at least try. I turned up one doe in a small cut feeding away from us. We kept glassing the area over and thought for sure there is no way this buck would be out feeding. I glassed for a while and was getting ready to move on and decided to glass below me. Standing in the open feeding was this buck at only 225 yards. I had just looked over this spot five minutes earlier. He must have been down inside a deep cut where I couldn’t see him before. I put a 168 ELD-M right in the pocket and he spun and dropped about ten feet away. While we were packing him out, we hiked down the same wash that I had used a couple days earlier. There were more lion tracks on top of my boot tracks. We scouted this area for weeks and kept seeing lion tracks in the road, but we were never able to glass him up. Unfortunately we never found a good buck for my son to shoot, but it was a great hunt and had a great time hunting with my son. David

Lots of scouting, long drives, and it all came together opening morning. We found several groups of sheep and 7 rams. My buddy got it done with 1 shot at 392yds. When I glassed him up I knew we was a shooter. He is a 9yo ram.

Guys and gals, We have found this bull in 5BS and would like its rightful owner to be able to tag it. It had arrow still in it and appears to have been shot in last few days. If you can tell me arrow you are shooting we will guide you to him to claim.

Last weekend my 2 sons and I went turkey hunting for our first fall hunt. We arrived on Thursday evening and setup camp. Friday morning we went to our first spot and someone beat us to it so we decided to go explore some more of the area and went a few miles north. We walked some tanks and glassed some open areas with no success. On the way back to camp we bumped a small group of hens crossing the road. We tried to get out of the truck quietly but they gave us the slip, we were too slow. We continued towards camp and spotted another larger group of turkey that had just crossed the road. We stopped and started sneaking down the road. As we came over a rise I spotted a coyote also putting the sneak on the turkey and he was headed up the road directly at us, but didn't see us yet. I played the gamble of just shoot him and bag a coyote and then try and go for a bird in the chaos, or hope he runs and doesn't bust the turkey. I chose option 2, but if course he freaked and ran right thru the turkey trying to get away and they exploded across the creek and into the trees. No luck. Next day in the AM we got close to some hens but not close enough. Saturday afternoon we went to go setup on a waterhole. On the way we spotted a group of hens walking the road. I stopped the truck and they walked right up to the truck and I told my son's not to move and let them pass. When they pass we will sneak out from behind and see if we can bag them. They literally walked to 5 feet in front of the truck and then walked around it. We slowly got out and I was clear first so I took the shot on a hen and smacked her good for my first turkey! Lincoln ran down the road and in the chaos was able to get 2 shots off at a hen, but missed in the excitement. We grabbed my bird and went on with plan A to the waterhole. My son's and I setup in a ground blind an archery hunter made and waited. About 30 minutes in a Tom comes flying into the tank. Literally flying in the air with another 2 behind him in the air. They landed a d started eating. 2 more Tom's joined them shortly. The 4 walked around on the other side of the water about 80yrds out for about 15 min. Then I whispered to my son's to not move and stay quiet. I heard a turkey behind us in the brush. A 5th Tom strutted out and worked his way over to the group of 4 and started strutting and parading around like a tough guy. Eventually they all calmed and kept eating. 2 birds started for the water cautiously. They were in range but were crossing each other, and my son froze a little and didn't shoot when he could have. The other 3 started working in too, and finally the 3rd bird which I think was the one from behind us walked in and my son smoke him at about 40yrds. 1 clean shot and he was flopping. Unfortunately he flopped right into the waterhole. My son's were both stoked to say the least but I may have been more excited on the inside than both of them. My son's first turkey was a nice Tom. 7.5" beard and once we washed it the fan turned our pretty nice.

Weaver micro Trac 36x 40 ao silver scope. Excellent condition $350 35th Ave and pinnacle peak pickup

Green stock version of the American predator 6.5 Creedmoor. It’s been sitting in the safe too long. Great condition, has a very low round count (less than 100) and a muzzle brake installed. Also will throw in full box of 127 gr. Included in picture, and older hardcase. located in Peoria, Az asking $400 obo. feel free to reach out with any questions, thank you! Text: 623-687-0317

It wasn't that long ago, another big outfitter got in bed with ranchers in AZ to push for landowner tags here in Arizona like they had successfully done in NM. I'm sure you all remember the USO fiasco. It didn't end, unfortunately.

I saw somewhere on Facebook that someone created a very well worded response for people to use when they email AZGFD about this, but I didn't get it copied before I lost track of it. If someone has it and wouldn't mind posting it here I'd be happy to join in emailing my concerns to AZGFD. I myself am not the most eloquent in these situations.

Surely you flatter yourselves.

I don’t think so - Not for highway use- but I will double check in the morning if that works?

And lots of 20 gauge shells

I can throw in the 22lr, how many and box sizes.

I'm thinking that may work but I have to measure. Those look like they will need specific lug nuts? Mine are direct bolt nuts.

I forsee a new billboard...

These things are complete time savers. Very simple but do the job well.

Two questions.( Thx Flatlander for the heads up) 1. How do the ranchers have the means to make any changes to the draw system tag allocations? 2. Can someone post a generic response? Seems it would be much more effective if we streamlined our stance and response.

wealthy people that listen to joe rogan.

Not sure what's worse, liberals or California Republicans