Wow, I thought this topic was dead. Obviously, since the whole draw/CC deadline issue was settled, we moved on to different things to argue about. To put a cap on this, at least for me, I was just curious what others thought when I originally posted. It is a subject that intrigues me. Also, I was trying to figure out what kind of hunts we would put in for. I am not a guy, nor is my family, one to put in for trophy hunts exclusively. I love to hunt elk, whether it be cows, bulls, rifle, bow, muzzleloader, etc. Of course, I want to kill a big bull as much as the next guy. It was different in years past, where I had many family members applying for elk. I was willing to wait and put in for early archery hunts for myself, but I got to go on hunts almost every single year for the last 20 because someone got drawn for some kind of hunt. Well now, my kids are either in school or the military, my dad has passed and my mom has decided since my dad is gone, she no longer has the desire to hunt. So each year, I pick and choose what kind of hunts I am going to apply for, knowing that I don't have many more archery bull hunts left since I am 52 now and with the way the point creep is going. The way things were shaping up this winter as I saw them, I/we decided we would just put in for "meat" hunts this year. Better odds for those of you putting in for early archery hunts!! I could be wrong and it could be a great year, but I will never regret a day chasing elk...no matter what season. I hope to see some pics of monsters from you guys in September. Good luck guys and gals.