Agreed!! For trail riding up mountains and switch backs while hunting, Honda Pioneer does it best. Reliable, bulletproof, transmission, and is very quiet compared to any other machine. I owned 2 Polaris Rangers before the Honda and was always working on the Rangers, ball joints, bearings, breaks, aarm bushings, electric issues, belts, sensors, etc, etc, etc...... I have been enjoying riding, hunting, all over Az and Mexico with 2-5 people in it and have had zero problems. Not 1 thing in almost 2 years. The back seating in not the best fore sure, but for the little amount of time my teenage kids ride back there it’s fine. It all depends on what you do with the machine. Me, I like to be out enjoying it, not working on it!