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Yes meaning they count toward the loyalty point and no, you don’t lose the loyalty point by buying a point only.

Get them there own gear, they will be proud of it and want to use it. Let them pick it out, you don’t need to spend a lot of money, but dad shouldn’t be wearing $800 worth of Kuiu and Kenetrek and kid wearing the same stuff they wore to school that week. Snacks are important. Allow them to be distracted while you are looking for deer. Hard for them to sit behind glasses for very long. My older stepdaughter tells the story of her first deer like this-“Greg said’Theres a buck’ so I woke up and shot him.” If they don’t harvest an animal, they will still want to go again. If they are not having fun, that will never want to go again. Mistake I made- did a skull cleaning for older deer, a small forkhorn Coues. A couple of years later, younger daughter shot her first, a decent 3x4 Muley still in velvet and she wanted to mount it. It’s at the taxidermist now. Hopefully, older daughter isn’t too upset when she sees it on the wall. Need to come up with a great way to display her Coues skull so she isn’t too mad.

I was doing some googling for something else and came across a site about how the Thunder River trail in the GC came into being. You might recall I've mentioned the Big Saddle Camp here a few times. Here are some snippets about it and the N. Kaibab deer. It's a bit of interesting history. -TONY The story of the Thunder River Trail would not be complete without fleshing out the role that the Churches played in its maintenance. Big Saddle Hunting Camp was built by Hayden Church in the 1920s. His son Jack, and Jack’s wife Mardean, took it over and operated it until the mid 1960s. They also owned the Buckskin Tavern on the state line between Kanab and Fredonia. Although their primary business was the Utah Parks Company, which had concessions to operate mule trips in Bryce, Zion and the North Rim, they hosted hunters and guided hunting trips out of their lodge and several cabins at Big Saddle Camp during the fall. The Big Saddle facilities are long gone. The smaller cabins were wrecked and burned in 1967. The main lodge was left standing but cut into three sections and moved years ago to its current location at the junction of U. S. 89a and Forest Service road 22 just southeast of Fredonia. It now forms the core for the house just to the southwest of the intersection there. The Churches operated pack trips into Thunder River from Big Saddle via the Little Saddle route, mostly after hunting season. Their best known wrangler was Walapai Johnny Nelson, whose father was sheriff at Kingman. Johnny also was well known as a heavy drinker. Mardean Church (1992) recalled, "A great guide, people loved him, but had to fire him and rehire 50 times a season." For years, Walapai Johnny maintained the stash of cookware at Cove Camp just down from the junction of Thunder River and Tapeats Creek. His inscription is in the rock shelter beneath the large boulder overlooking the roasting site just west of where the Thunder River Trail drops out of Surprise Valley to Thunder Spring. The Churches wintered their Utah and Grand Canyon horses and mules on the Esplanade until the mid-1960s. For decades their trail hands did the bulk of the maintenance and even made some improvements on the Thunder River Trail from the canyon rim to Cove Camp. Their hands even did most of the work on the Crazy Jug segment before it was abandoned in the 1950s. In 1965, Rell Little told me about getting the last of the cattle off the Esplanade sometime in the early 1960s. Another rancher named Johnny Vaughn, who also operated a cattle lease on the Kaibab Plateau, noticed that there were a fair number -- at least a truck load -- of feral cattle down there that they could occasionally see from the rim. Representing found money, they decided to go after them. This they did by taking a couple of docile cows out to Little Saddle, and wrangled them down onto the Esplanade via the Little Saddle Trail. In no time, the wild cattle congregated around the domesticated stock, and the wranglers were able to peacefully walk the entire lot out to the rim with the cows in the lead. They walked the lot right onto the truck without incident, and, the way he told me the story, drove right off to the packing plant to collect their reward. That was the end of cows on the Esplanade over in that country. David Hansen recalls Kanab in the early 1920's: walking down Main Street, you passed the drug store, and about the only people you would see would be "the old-time cowboys sitting in the sun, boots and Bull Durham tags out their pockets, telling how they worked for Grand Canyon Cattle Company." With an estimated deer population of 50,000 on the Kaibab, the Forest Service declared open season on deer in 1927 or 1928, he recalls. "Any hunter could get 3 bucks only for $5.00. But the deer were very poor and not edible. They had very unusual horns. They were considered trophies." He recalls attempting deer counts. "We could stop on a ridge on those western slopes, riding through there and whistle and holler and hundreds of deer would file out of a canyon," he said. When the Forest Service declared open season, the State of Arizona filed an injunction and sent deputy sheriffs to arrest the hunters. Forest Service personnel helped the hunters dodge the sheriffs. Finally, a cooperative agreement was reached that allowed hunting only in October and November and required a payment of $4.00 for an Arizona hunting license. Hunting camps were set up. Two on the east side of the Plateau, one at Kane Springs and one at South Canyon. Three camps on the west side, one at Ryan (checking station), one at Moquitch and one at Big Saddle. Big Saddle was against the rim of the Grand Canyon. A short walk from the camp was Crazy Jug Point, which was a spectacular view of the Grand Canyon. These hunts were very successful, being the first attempt at managing hunting. All hunters registered into a camp. A Forest Ranger and an Arizona Game Warden were in each camp. All the deer were checked out with a special tag. All guns were sealed when entering two checking stations, Ryan and Kane Springs, and unsealed at the Camps. This was a safety measure to keep hunters from shooting deer along the road. Horns were measured and carcass weighed and measured. The Camps were under Special Use Permits to provide tents, meals, and horses to the hunters, if they so desired, also guides were available. So the hunters could drive in and have all the accommodations that they wanted, which was rather primitive, but satisfactory. In 1929, the hunters came, everything was very prosperous, good cars, and they enjoyed their stay in the Camps, even after bagging their deer. The 1931 hunt was different because of the depression. A lot of hunters could see a difference in their pocket-books and they were anxious to get meat. After two years of controlled hunting, the deer were still not in good flesh, the average weight in bucks in 1931 was 1351bs., the average weight 10 years later, was 1801bs. By 1941 the forage had improved considerably. However, which is usually the case with winter loss, nature seems to solve the problem, along with hunting.

Looking for a tile saw this, figured i would share. Did not list weight or draw length. West end pawn in Sierra vista

You nerds are crazy!! A touch of Tabasco on my eggs is as hot as I get.

Great question here... To be clear... you can build two bonus points per year for bison much like turkey right?

I'll be east but using Google street view it looks like there's a couple pumps.

Good info guys, thanks for sharing. My daughter is 8 and is into hunting with me. Can't wait for the day to come she can draw a tag! My wife and her are going to go through hunter's Ed together, so that should be fun for them.

What part of the state or what unit where you in?

Lots of bugles and called this bull from cows opening evening for my son. His first archery bull!

Looking to buy some Hornady precision hunter ammo in 6.5 creedmoor. I have a couple upcoming hunts and a hunt for my girlfriend (she still needs to practice). Unfortunately I am down to 11 rounds and literally everyone is out of stock. If anyone has some extra they’re willing to part with, please let me know.

Haha, thanks for the heads up

I don't know anything about the rutting activity, but I did see a pic of a nice 7x8 that hit the ground. It only gets better later in September so the archery hunters get the benefit of starting a week later.

You might want to get out of that area before you get cancer. Droptine bull looks skinny

PROHIBITIONS: 1. Being on the road or trail. 36 C.F.R $ 261.5a(e); 36 C.F.R $ 261.55(a). The only prohibition is being on the road or trail, so you should be able to hike into the burn area or drive any of the roads NOT listed as closed without any problem... Am I understanding this correctly?

I won't drink bad, weak, or flavored coffee. A bit of a snob when it comes to coffee I suppose. Nescafe works for me for instant but I prefer to use the percolator. Need to try Black Rifle and Medaglia Del Oro too I guess.

Exactly how do you and AOC measure ......... livestock methane emissions............in relation to greenhouse gas excess??? Seriously asking...............

Played this game last year. I found the key at least for me was to keep everything fun, from shooting to glassing. As far as shooting goes, I had issues trying to get my son to use a tripod for a rest. I found prone was the only way he was going to make an accurate shot. Kids love reactive targets from steel to balloons. I also brought ear protection on the hunt as he had serious flitch from sound, and it made him more comfortable. I keep his pack light and loaded down with plenty of snacks as kids burn thru them. I did let him bring a cell phone so he could play games while I glassed, ended up keeping him quiet and still for hours. Remember the hunt is for your kid and not you, I found myself pushing my son beyond his limits and making it uncomfortable for him. Most important thing is take your time and have fun in the outdoors with your kid. Oh yea be patient!

30+ years ago I was sneaking up a small rise one morning south of Flagg doing that when I slipped on some wet leaves and fell forward in the blink of an eye. I had my finger tabs on the string, my left hand on the riser and the bow did a 180 just as I hit the ground. The broadhead came within 1/2 of my neck as I fell on the bow. That was the last time I ever did that.

I read until 11/20.

I drink cold coffee. Make it at home with grounds and cheese cloth in a pitcher it sits in fridge 12 hrs pull ground. Have coffee for a few days and usually gets better as it stays cold

Thank you for being the first one to mention egg shells in this thread! I was thinking I was on the REI site for a second (not that there is anything wrong with that). I wish I would have bought stock in Medaglia before this thread went live. Apparently there are two things we like here, panic buying ammo and coffee! Like moths to a flame or a duck on a June bug as they say. Seriously , I am ordering that D’Oro stuff too.

no i was thinking when the signal coverts to 5G and the different new frequencies... I am not a cell phone guru but 5G will probably replace previously 4G and other low band frequencies- cell phone boosters of today will probably not work, not sure if they have a firmware update, etc. I swear I used to get better phone service with an analog and digital phone - but now everything is digital -

I shipped an Encore barrel to AK last week via a UPS store. Other than being expensive it was a pretty easy transaction, I told the dude what it was and he said “let’s call it a metal rod.”

Climate Change, were it real, never started a fire. But you have sheeple tuning in to CNN eating this crap up fast as its dished.