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Hoghunter spent a lot of time helping in the classifieds. He passed away a couple of days ago during an operation. His wife asked another member, Bill@roofer, to post her words, but he was having a hard time making it happen. So he asked for my help. I know this is not necessarily the politically correct place, but Hoghunter spent a lot of time here. In the short time I've been here I've grown to appreciate and respect him. He is missed already. Here is what she sent and requested be posted: "If you want to post this- from Heather Many of you know that Mike passed away on Monday. He was a great dad, avid hunter and lover of animals, and my best friend. We are still trying to figure out what all the next steps are so we appreciate all the well wishes. I thank all who have reached out to help and if I did not respond to everyone, I'm sorry. I will try to get back to you. Even though many people will not get to be with sick loved ones because of the pandemic, I was blessed to be with Mike when he went to meet Jesus. He is no longer crippled and in pain but dancing with Jesus. Praise God!"

I'm sure Tim had his handsful with a 91 yr old gold prospector and his deliquent posterity but thank you for making a bucket list item for an old guy come true.

He was at my house shooting the breeze the night before his surgery. He texted me later that night saying the doctors rescheduled his surgery for another time and wouldn't tell him why. Obviously someone wanted him to have more time with his family. He was proud of his family thats for sure. We always joked about him being an "old dad" lol. Im gonna miss that guy.

After 50 you don't give a chit what day it is. Its happy day.. Keep busting my balls ladies..

Back when grandpa asked you to do something, was wise not to argue or dottle.

I spoke with CATERPILLAR privately and we worked out our difference of opinion, so I have removed my previous comments. Sometimes my temper gets the best of me.

Here is that message: Many of you know that Mike passed away on Monday. He was a great dad, avid hunter and lover of animals, and my best friend. We are still trying to figure out what all the next steps are so we appreciate all the well wishes. I thank all who have reached out to help and if I did not respond to everyone, I'm sorry. I will try to get back to you. Even though many people will not get to be with sick loved ones because of the pandemic, I was blessed to be with Mike when he went to meet Jesus. He is no longer crippled and in pain but dancing with Jesus. Praise God!

" If you want to post this- from Heather Many of you know that Mike passed away on Monday. He was a great dad, avid hunter and lover of animals, and my best friend. We are still trying to figure out what all the next steps are so we appreciate all the well wishes. I thank all who have reached out to help and if I did not respond to everyone, I'm sorry. I will try to get back to you. Even though many people will not get to be with sick loved ones because of the pandemic, I was blessed to be with Mike when he went to meet Jesus. He is no longer crippled and in pain but dancing with Jesus. Praise God!"

If so we need to find out what unit and help his son out as a group.

Your point is absolutely valid. Someone shooting twice a year shouldn't buy a FFP or tree reticle. They won't know how to use it. They also shouldn't shoot at an animal at 600 yards either, reticle or not. This is in the long range subsection of a hunting site. So the answers given by advocates and those with extensive experience should be evaluated accordingly. People disagree, and have preferences, that's fine. There is no right or wrong. But us guys using FFP tree reticle long range shooters absolutely can inform people of our experiences to make a decision. We aren't making it up and I don't think anyone is saying you have to go with a tree. I certainly am not. I have dealt with and learned from many professional shooters, snipers, competitors in dynamic field type shoots most similar to hunting. FFP with tree reticles are by far their choice. And, to echo your point, don't buy a tree and think it makes you a sniper. You build a valid critique to the tree into your question. I will add that someone shooting their rifle twice a year probably a) can't make a good wind call in the field, b) isn't serious about the skill involved in long range shooting, c) should definitely close the gap or not shoot, d) probably hasn't done the work to get accurate dope, and e) has lots of other issues to solve before the reticle hold over/dial becomes an issue. Long range shooting isn't easy to just do without practice and skill. Long range hunting adds another complexity. At 600 yards, just the temperature or barometric pressure or altitude can cause a miss. Those custom dials and duplex reticle scopes people buy really aren't useful at that distance. I could prove it, but won't spend time on it. Long range shooting is a legitimate skill. It is a perishable skill as well. Shooting once or twice a year is not enough to maintain it really. Bottom line, I could shoot in readable wind conditions at long ranges holding over or dialing. If you think my shot is luck in the video, watch the other videos on my channel. Or, anyone who wants to come shoot with me, I love to share. You can shoot my rifles and see whether you like a ffp tree reticle and how I use it.

.243 Win will be fine for your hunt. I'd suggest acquiring a quality rangefinder, there are great units available for less than $500. Cross canyon shots may look like 200 - 300 yards but are often misjudged and are 500 - 600 yards. A range finder will tell the story. Also, don't soley rely on balistic programs/charts to prepare for longer shots, prove your rifles ballistic tendencies. If you have not practiced at 300 yards, don't shoot at game @ 300 yards.

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Finely that mountain was way to thick.

Here is the link to the Go Fund Me donation page to benefit Mike's wife and boys: https://gf.me/u/ydd9i5 Mike's biggest wish in life had nothing to do with hunting. His biggest wish was to be a Daddy.

Here is the link to the Go Fund Me donation page to benefit Mike's wife and boys: https://gf.me/u/ydd9i5

Go to Payson or Star Valley.

They could have a huge show in the 4 peaks area. No fire danger in there.

I’ve shot 7 deer and all were shot with a .243 100 grain bullet. Shots ranged from 50 yards to 300 yards. It carries light when walking and covering ground also.

If anyone here knows and talks to the wife, can they make sure to let her know that there is a big group of guys willing to make sure his kids can still get out hunting? Please keep us posted.

Thanks bro, your family is topshelf. Glad we could do a little digging and y'all got to take some gold home. The whole experience was priceless.

Some gave all.... all gave some. Mike gave all for the USA 🇺🇸 RIP Hoghntr

Him and his boy at the QF banquet a few years back.

I get its a horrible job. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. But you can not shut down an economy and ruin peoples lives to save a few. This is insanity.

Copper works fine if you keep to the distances where you retain the proper velocity on target as required. I prefer coppers to be moving 2000fps on target to open better. If your .243 is a 1:10" twist, you will need to shoot lighter bullets to stabilize them. I know you are 19, do you reload yet? If not, the Barnes LRX are a good way to go. If you do reload, the Hammer Hunters seem to really work well, and are very accurate. Just know this. Shot opportunities up on the Kaibab can be longer than expected. I would be prepared, and that means lots of practice, for shots out to 500+ for the best chances at big bucks. Sure, you could have a 50 yard shot, but sure is nice to be confident and accurate out at longer ranges. Don't take shots you are not comfortable with.