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Alright well here goes nothin... Here is a few with the rifle.. And here is a few archery...

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I really think that most lost bulls come from hunter’s who do not hunt archery elk often enough not understanding elk anatomy and shot placement well enough. Poor shooting is probably next and situational circumstances like a bull moving just as you take a shot are the least common. I can tell you from my personal experience that it’s really easy to get nervous about a gut shot and hold way too far forward even at close range punching through an elk scapula enough to get both lungs is not likely. It took me several hunts to really understand how far back to hold on a bull. Now I go to the back of the ribs and come forward 2-3 ribs. Lots of lung back there. Up tight to the shoulder of you are high or low of too far forward you are going to have a problem. Just my .02

Its surprising but I have seen plenty of illegals drink from cattle tanks and guzzlers. Nasty business

Cameron, then Vermillion Cliffs/Lee's Ferry.

I think the 5 dead bulls in my hunting room would disagree with you. 4 died from Rocket Steelheads and the other from a Swhacker.

He does it for the gram

Lots of dead elk in my house from steelheads and none lost. I'll take the accuracy and forgiveness over hunting conditions vs the small gains from fixed heads. My .02

After almost a full week of chasing bulls my wife finally gets it done. This was the toughest rut hunt I've been apart of thus far. We were able to get on and locate bulls every single day but they were just not responsive to calling.( At least not the big ones.) She passed on several bulls some of which were bigger then the one she tagged but just didn't present the shot she wanted. Her decisions to pass on bulls that didn't give optimal shot had me frustrated but also very proud at the same time. On Thursday the 19th we were up at 4:30 and decided to slip into a spot before dark. A spot that was on fire the morning before with at least six bulls all around us was completely silent this morning. By 7 I had given up on this spot and decided to hike back to the quad. Frustrated and tired we drove back to camp and grabbed a quick bite to eat. On a whim I told her let's get a little higher up and go to a spot where we had success in the past later on in the day. I get to a spot that overlooked the steep canyon and throw out some calls. In the far distance I hear a couple faint bugles. Ask the wife if she wants to go after them and she responds reluctantly "I guess so." We drop down the canyon and up the other side only to hear the bulls bugle 1 ridge over. Without asking her again I start dropping down the second canyon. We hit the bottom and I tell her only one more Hill to climb. We get to a spot to where the elk we're only about a hundred yards away and I start calling. They bugle and bugle but never get any closer. I decide with the wind right and howling pretty good we could sneak a Little closer. We get to within 50 yards and all pandemonium breaks out, elk are running in all directions. Knowing that the wind was good we hunker down and start calling. I hear a bull coming in but I can't put my eyes on him because of the thick and tall Manzanita. He's only about 15 yards at this point and my wife says she doesn't have a shot. The bull freezes and isn't coming any closer. After a few minutes my wife looks to her left and there's another bull about 28 yards out. She points to the bull and says she wants that one. the bull that was 15 yards away slowly walks out of sight and we decide to make a move on the bull up top. I can hear him thrashing and see his antlers going crazy but that's all I can see of him. I tell my wife if she crawls up to the next tree she should have about a 20 yard shot. She gets to that point and slowly stands up but says she has no shot. I'm about eight yards behind her so I stand up slowly and look through my binos. I can see about at 1 foot by 1 foot opening through the bush that is right on his vitals. I let her know if she shoots through that hole in the bush she has a shot. She slowly stands back up and looks again. After what seemed like forever she comes to full draw steadies herself and releases. Through my binos I watched the shot and know instantly it was perfect. The bull takes off and after only a short Sprint through the tall Manzanita I hear a crash about 80 yards away. She looks at me crying and asks "was it a good hit"? With the biggest smile all I say is "you smoked him". After some hugs and high fives I start to track. Knowing that he's down I waste no time and after only a short walk through the Manzanita we find him piled up. Perfect double long shot and the bull was dead within 30 sec or so. Not a monster by any means but I couldn't be more proud. What makes this hunt all the more special is that my 67 year old dad and my nine-year-old son were part of it. On almost every stock an outing other than this one they were with us putting in the miles. We hiked back to the quad and drove back to camp before breaking him down so that I can get my son and Dad there to share the experience.

Bring back flip phones I’m saying

Love to see wife's and kids in the field, and to do it with a bow no less! Awesome!

Ha! That trick actually works.

Trophyhunter I knew that would get a response! ha.....your funny as heck, love reading your reactions to posts. I was just making a reference to the decaying morals of society and them spilling over into hunting......no issues here thank goodness. good luck this season

As with a lot of people complaining about "bullet failure" blowing up when you hit an elk femur, this is not equipment failure. It is shooter failure. Don't aim for the leg/shoulder. Aim for the crease. Can't hit where you want to? Don't shoot.

No! I'm being serious. If you want someone to call Game & Fish, we cant just call and say we dont like the way he is hunting, we have to be able to give facts of laws broken. Now if he knows the location of one of these dead bulls and still keeps hunting, then I say he has broken the law. But if he is just a horrible tracker and never finds any of these bulls, who is to say these bulls actually died? And even if they die and he never finds them, there is no law that requires you to spend a certain amount of time looking. Just thinking out loud and realizing as bad as this situation sucks, there isnt much we can do under current law. Just in this thread there have been opinions of how long to look for a dead bull. 4 hrs? 1 day? 48 hrs? 72 hrs? 1 week? Until the hunt is over? No matter what your personal ethics are, someone else has different opinion, and guaranteed not all ethical hunters will agree with you opinion. And the Game & Fish regulations definitely dont spell this out. I'm not in anyway sticking up for this guy, just thinking in reality.

At least he’s getting shots

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Thanks man, its close to home so I spend a ton of time out there. If I said it was easy, I would be lying through my teeth. That rifle hunt will always be super humbling.

I would look at Ebay. There are a lot of old bows floating around on there where you can get a pretty good deal on a bow unless its a highly collectable item. Something like an older Bear Kodiak, Grizzly or Super Kodiak is good. Lots of others like Howatt, Pearson, Shakespeare, Browning, Wing, etc. Other options to shop are ArcheryTalk Classifieds, Bowsite's Leatherwall Classifieds, FootedShaft, TraditionalArcherySales, and the grand daddy RockyMountainSpecialtyGear. Sounds like you are on the right track on weight. Get some properly spined arrows and let it rip! Good Luck Man. Be careful though, traditional bows are kind of addicting. I got one just to have as a backup for my main bow and now I have 5 of the darn things and I'm always on the hunt for something else to add to the stash. I saw this one tonight. I had to resist. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Bear-Archery-Grizzly-Recurve-Bow-45lb-Grayling-Mich-Very-Clean/323927083673?hash=item4b6b8f0a99:g:s2oAAOSwP0RdippA

I agree with the op. No deer left, best to look elsewhere. in all seriousness I had a real decent honey hole tucked away in there that got found out a few years ago. No longer a honey hole. its a big unit though, I’m sure there’s lots of other decent spots. Good luck big10

Just left 4A yesterday and it's pretty silent. Had one bull bugle that walked in about 100 yards from us with about 5 cows. That was the only one the last 5 days. Saw several bulls all alone though. Several lonely cows as well. On a brighter note the holes all have water in them now. Have the cow tag and thinking about heading back up tomorrow for the last day to try and get it done. Son has the youth cow tag up there as well in a couple weeks.

I killed a decent buck there in 2012 on January 2nd during the archery season. It is my first and only muley buck with a bow. It was super windy that day and it had the deer all messed up. I was able to approach to around 60 yards then waited for a doe to get up and move, taking the buck with her giving me a 40 yard broadside shot. I hit him slightly high and back but still got both lungs. He ran about 150 yards and hit the dirt. I was a happy camper! I was about a mile and a half from the truck so it was a pain in the butt to pack out the first load but I had help with the rest.

Not kidding! You guys are kidding yourself if you dont think this is happening in every open unit right now by multiple hunters! G&F needs to change the hunter questionnaire to say "How many Elk did you shoot and not recover?" I was taught different... If I shoot an animal and cant recover...my hunt is over. But this is unfortunately not the mentality of most hunters who had to wait 10 years to draw their tag. They feel entitled to keep hunting to fill their tag since they had to wait so long to get the tag.

Goodness! You threw away food? Growing up we just cooked them on the breast with eggs and toast for breakfast. These days I try to be more exploratory with cooking them, since I can afford bacon now.

A gps will run a week on a set of battery’s . How long will your smart phone last?