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Here are a few more pictures and the Scores. 1. 344 as is. left beam broken still 54" right beam touch over 59" 2. 368" almost 34" of mass per side. Notice my friends hand up high on the beam. I had about 30 min to judge him im his bed at under 200 yards and he deceived me bad. I could only tell my buddy he was over 350" but I,didnt know how much over. 3. 375" he was way more impressive on the hoof than my pictures show...i thought he was 340" tops though. He was impressive hard horned. I have some video hard horned but cant seem to,find it.. 4. 341" with 5th repaired and photoshopped. Actually score was around 334" 315ish frame but 25" and 26" 3rds 5. 283" 6. If I remeber correctly it was 371" I'm positive it was close to that but there is no way to verify since my uncle just gave it away to someone to make knives out of...i was sick that he didnt call me.. IMO some of the hardest qualities of a bull to judge are beam length and mass..know the area you hunt and what is normal. 3c is notorious for having good beams and weak 3rds and average mass. Lots bulls in unit 1 have beams barely into the 50s. with the age class dropping mass will most likely be under average IMO. My best advice is shoot the bull that you want that gives you the opportunity. I passed on a chance at a better scoring bull the morning I killed the big 3rds bull because I had some history with the 3rds bull. ...he was stuck in my mind. I was ecstatic no matter the score.,Especially for late archery. The year I killed that 283" Bull I hunted for 11 or 12 days for 2 bulls that I thought were in the 375"-390" range and couldnt get it done. I was tickled pink to shoot that bull last day and gain more experience.

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I don’t know who’s losing sleep, just kinda a fun topic. It is a little bit like how people that come to southern az from somewhere without rattlers think there’s probably one under every rock or in every patch of grass haha

Or just take a friend who runs slower than you do

i have a spot messenger generation 3, like new. $80.00

Lol...easy one. One last ride in the desert before the oppressive heat settles in for the summer.

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So some poor bastard is driving around with no mirrors?

I’ve seen cattle drop with a .22 and coyotes run off after taking a hit from a .300 win mag. I’m sure I’d want some sorta pistol in grizzly country but I’d be going for bear spray first.

My 10 mm has been to Alaska more than I have.

I like how everyone that goes to Alaska thinks they are going to be in a firefight with bears every day. Lol. I’m going to Kodiak island in November 2020 and have not lost a second of sleep over what sidearm to pack.

Cool topic here. I am heading to Alaska this year and was planning on taking my 4" 44 mag. I am thinking a Glock 29SF or 20SF is in my near future. I have always wanted a 10mm anyway.

You can watch a hundred hunting shows about bears and see a close encounter or two. All the bears I have seen shot were caught offguard and most went less than 30 yards before expiring. Some less than 20'. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Five years is a long ways away so you have plenty of time to decide on what firearm to take.

Below is an excerpt from "Outdoor Life's Guide to Spring Bear Hunting," which I wrote some time back in the 1990's. The outfitter was Roy Pattison from British Columbia. He died from natural causes a while back. *********** "Earlier our binoculars had located two dark spots in a swath of emerald green grass more than a mile distant. Although the sighting prompted Pattison to assemble his spotting scope, I surmised he already knew what he was seeing after having chased Canada's bears for over 20 years. Once, however, it was the other way around. On a fall hunt a few years ago, a lady from Germany put a bullet through the hump of a big grizzly. Armed with a 30/06, Pattison, along with his German shepherd, Radar, followed the bear into the bush. The dog soon found the wounded grizzly, and Pattison put three 220-grain bullets into it. Still, the enraged animal managed to launch an attack, tearing a huge chunk of flesh from Pattison's left buttock and biting his ankle. The dog's persistent harassment and Pattison's kicking and screaming while hanging upside down with his ankle in the bear's mouth eventually caused the bear to let go and flee. While Pattison spent a week in a Prince George hospital receiving numerous skin grafts and treatment of a chipped ankle bone, his brother and friends unsuccessfully searched for the bear. The following spring the lady from Germany returned and wounded another grizzly. This time, with a new-found respect, Pattison borrowed his brother's .458. Radar again located the bear, and two shots from the big-bore rifle put it down for keeps. When Pattison removed the hide, he found four healed gunshot wounds and recovered two 220-grain, 30/06 slugs; it was the same grizzly that had mauled him the previous fall. The 10-foot tall, life-size mount sitting in the main lodge now serves as a grim reminder of the guide's close encounter."

Here’s the conclusion I came to when I went to Alaska. 1)most likely nothing smaller then a 12ga shooting a good slug will stop a determined grizzly consistently.2) I’m not going to carry a long gun around on a regular basis 3)ANY handgun is going to be marginal at best. Look up the numbers, even a .50 handgun ranks surprisingly low energy wise compared to even smaller rifle calibers 4)a 10mm with a good bullet has just as much energy as a .41 mag 5)I can get 3-4 aimed shots off for every 1 with my red hawk .44 mag. Thats 3-4x chance to hit something to change the bears mind. Minus a miracle shot, chances are the bears not gonna drop. You gotta turn it.6) glock is much much easier and more comfortable to carry at all times then big revolver. 7)16 rounds vs 6. 😎 bear spray really is your best defense, until it’s not. Wind in face, 2nd encounter etc. I carried bear spray and glock 20 with 220 gr hard cast underwoods

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That's the problem with this country. Here is a person, who I don't know other than this video, that clearly isn't a violent person, would be taken to task for this situation. It should be a very quick investigation to clear him and I hope it is. We have 350,000,000 people in this country. Let's get behind the good people that work for a living and don't protect the losers.

Essentially it just takes the refuges ability to manage their own refuge and puts it in the hands of the state. It has good and bad points. The Charles M Russell NWR in eastern Montana has always had the deer season close two weeks earlier then the Montana state season to give the bucks a chance to rut. They also prohibited doe harvest as they didn’t think the population was at management objective. This bill “aligned” the refuge with state regs thus crushing the one remaining public land area in eastern Montana with decent muley hunting. It’s not all roses.

Kodiak vote here. It is heavy but can be set up with 1 person. Handled the elk hunt last year with plenty of snow, wind and sleet. Love it.

A good buddy of mine has the archery tag, I will let you know what I have learned after his hunt. good luck Whitey

Originally, I just asked this question out of curiosity. But fast forward 4 months and I got super lucky and drew tag #5 of 5. So, I will be hunting them come September 6th....just so happens, it would have been my dad's 81st birthday. Good to hear there are some good bucks left in there.

180 Ram, 200 Muley, 400 bull, 90 antelope, 110 coues Typically the guys stating this as their goals havent hunted enough to appreciate what they are saying and often dont know the difference between something exceptional and something above average. Good luck dude, hope it works out for you.

BigLakeJake: None of the three men look like Steve to me, but I easily could be wrong. The photo appears "washed out" on my monitor. Incidentally, Steve is still with us. A friend visited him in Phoenix this past week. He's 89 years old and is as sharp as ever, my friend said. For those who don't know Steve's history, his landmark study of Gambel's and Scaled quail proved precipitation during specific months was the primary factor in quail reproduction and survival, and that hunting has little influence on quail numbers in Arizona. Steve and the Levy brothers of Tucson, Jim and Seymore, also located populations of masked bobwhite quail -- thought to be extinct at the time -- still remaining in ungrazed areas in Sonora, and this led to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service creating the Buenos Aires refuge southwest of Tucson. Steve also had much to do with Arizona's ban on using bait for bears, the switch from firearms hunting to bowhunting for elk during their rut, and the HAM hunts for javelina. Bill Quimby